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peppersteak'n'ale
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PostSat Aug 28, 2004 11:15 am 
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It's still on WTA
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PostSat Aug 28, 2004 12:38 pm 
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gj wrote:
In that regard, to delete godlygirl's trip report about Bathtub Lakes (I'm assuming that's why it's blank), which have never been a secret within the hiking community, is lame and smacks of eco-nazism.

I think it's kinda lame to make an assumption that anyone but godlygirl deleted it.  And thanks for the nazi reference. up.gif  Unlike other sites, you are free to edit or delete anything you post at nwhikers.net without any time limitation.  Most useful when you post something you later regret. smile.gif
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PostSat Aug 28, 2004 2:33 pm 
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Slugman wrote:
Here's one, newt, but a google search can get you much more. Search on "wise use agenda".

Wise use agenda

I had done a search and came up with that. Was thinking there was something different. Thanks.

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PostSat Aug 28, 2004 3:10 pm 
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Unlike other sites, you are free to edit or delete anything you post at nwhikers.net without any time limitation.  Most useful when you post something you later regret. 

Ya, just check out the threads about logging, you will notice about 3/4 of the original content was deleted because someone got alittle too emotinal and said things he regrets hmmm.gif
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PostSat Aug 28, 2004 4:34 pm 
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Glad to hear that Tom. All apologies.
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PostTue Sep 28, 2004 8:42 pm 
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I have the Stevens Pass Green Trails Map from 1986 and it only shows a green dashed trail (unmaintained) from trail 1376 to Tuck Lake.  Even then Tuck Lake is 6.4 miles and 1900 feet up from the nearest trailhead at road 4330.

I do all my hikes from these maps so I never would have found this one if someone hadn't told me (or I didn't eventually buy an updated one).  I guess its astonishing to hear how much an area can become popular and experience significant use in a few short years.

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PostTue Sep 28, 2004 8:47 pm 
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Tuck and Robin have been in in 100 Hikes since the beginning of those books some 30-odd years ago.
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PostTue Sep 28, 2004 8:52 pm 
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marylou wrote:
Tuck and Robin have been in in 100 Hikes since the beginning of those books some 30-odd years ago.

They were removed from the second edition of 102 Hikes in the Alpine Lakes Wilderness.  They reappeared in the third edition.
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PostTue Sep 28, 2004 8:54 pm 
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Fair enough, but the point is, the lakes have been in guidebooks for a long time, and are not very far from the car. They's gonna get visited.
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PostTue Sep 28, 2004 8:57 pm 
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My dad had a copy of 100 Hikes in the 1970s, that still doesn't explain the change you've seen there in the time since 1980.  Is the trail on the new Green Trails Map?

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PostTue Sep 28, 2004 9:04 pm 
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It's on the current GT map, the ALPS ALW map, and in at least one current guidebook, probably more.
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PostTue Sep 28, 2004 9:08 pm 
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Don't some books refer to T&R as the Little Enchantments, or something?  That is bound to draw lots of people to them.  It would be like calling Little Si the Little Little Annapurna of North Bend.  Gaggles of people would be beating a path to the top.

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PostTue Oct 19, 2004 10:09 am 
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Trip reports, guidebooks, etc. all lend to the problem. However, in the case of Washington's wild areas (primarily the Cascades and Olympics), the huge influx of humans has really exacerbated the problem.

I visited the Robins in 1976, when I was 20 (ouch!). A friend and I got the idea from the 100 hikes guidebook. As I recall, we didn't see anyone up there at the time. Granted, we were hiking in mid-week, but it was sunny and gorgeous. The place didn't look trashed at all.

Then the 80s rolled in and the Seattle area boomed, thanks to Bill Gates and a ton of other tech companies. (I don't know what the population grew by, but I'll bet it was big!) I think that many of the people that worked and continue to work for these companies are lovers of the outdoors. This just made that many more feet available for tromping around in the mountains. I can't imagine what the Robins look like now.

I have lived in Bend since 1978. When I moved here the population was around 17,000. Today it is around 55,000 and that is just the city limit figure. There are still more rural folks. We are sort of seeing a mini-version of what you have seen. Many of the popular spots in the Three Sisters are overrun, such that regulations are required. The good news is that there are still many places where one can hike (even on a weekend) and not see anyone. I suppose that our time will come too as more people "discover" this area.  bawl.gif
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PostTue Oct 19, 2004 10:19 am 
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The Guy From Bend wrote:
I can't imagine what the Robins look like now.


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