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PostTue Mar 03, 2020 10:02 am 
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BPJ, you should quote her and her obvious political cheap shot with your “here we go” comment.  agree.gif

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PostTue Mar 03, 2020 10:23 am 
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Slugman wrote:
BPJ, you should quote her and her obvious political cheap shot with your “here we go” comment.  agree.gif

Sluggmeister, you know very well I try and avoid such things.  I don't want to lose my NWH privileges again!!!

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PostTue Mar 03, 2020 6:42 pm 
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treeswarper wrote:
My bike is rated at 80 miles.  In real life, and after riding around on changing terrain, and yes, shutting off the assist on the flats, I figure 50.  But like I said, I need to ride it farther.  Pretty much everywhere I ride has a long grade to go up which sucks power.

Thanks for sharing your thinking and what to expect from the battery.  I wouldn't want to sign up for a 200 mile ride either with an 80 mile battery!

You (and everyone in this thread) should post bike TRs!  🙂
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PostTue Mar 03, 2020 7:20 pm 
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My bike and probably many other bikes will estimate how many miles you can go based on what power level you are in and what you've been doing.  I don't know how accurate it is.  I either have to look up which buttons to push or just start pushing buttons on the display.

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PostTue Mar 03, 2020 10:23 pm 
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treeswarper wrote:
A battery for a Bosch is around $800.  I don't think I want to invest in a spare.

That's why I bought 2 closeout bikes for $777.  Spare battery problem solved.  Replacement batteries for euro-spec motors (Bosch, Yamaha, Shimano) are crazy overpriced.  For comparison Frey quoted me $420 for a spare 840Wh battery on my CC.  Twice as much power for half the cost of a spare Yamaha battery.
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PostWed Mar 04, 2020 7:19 am 
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Tom wrote:
treeswarper wrote:
A battery for a Bosch is around $800.  I don't think I want to invest in a spare.

That's why I bought 2 closeout bikes for $777.  Spare battery problem solved.  Replacement batteries for euro-spec motors (Bosch, Yamaha, Shimano) are crazy overpriced.  For comparison Frey quoted me $420 for a spare 840Wh battery on my CC.  Twice as much power for half the cost of a spare Yamaha battery.

Yeah but I did end up with a bike that is comfortable for me to do miles on.   It's Dutch made and is designed to be comfy. 'cept you don't look cool on it here in the U.S. 

I have a spare that I got for the Rad.  They had a sale on batteries for the 2017 Radmini because it was obsolete.   It took about 6 weeks to finally arrive and I had to do a bit of work to track the battery down in the Fedex void. 

That's the other thing about ebikes, the battery is considered to be hazardous so some carriers won't haul them.

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PostWed Mar 04, 2020 8:57 am 
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treeswarper wrote:
That's the other thing about ebikes, the battery is considered to be hazardous so some carriers won't haul them.

Ya.  Lithium Ion "Often" means fire. Not a good thing on an airplane.

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PostWed Mar 04, 2020 9:24 am 
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Backpacker Joe wrote:
treeswarper wrote:
That's the other thing about ebikes, the battery is considered to be hazardous so some carriers won't haul them.

Ya.  Lithium Ion "Often" means fire. Not a good thing on an airplane.

Lithium Ion batteries are allowed in carry on baggage, but not checked baggage. 

Also Lithium Ion batteries for eBikes and hoverboards aren't allowed in most subway systems -- due to hoverboard fires several years ago in the NYC subway.

Lithium Ion battery manufacturing standards have improved since then and the risk of fire is much lower -- but the hoverboard ban is still in place -- a good thing for many reasons beyond the risk of fire -- hoverboard riders on the sidewalks are annoying enough.
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PostThu Mar 05, 2020 8:48 am 
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Backpacker Joe wrote:
Ya.  Lithium Ion "Often" means fire. Not a good thing on an airplane.

I haven't had an issue myself yet, but two friends have. They'll only charge their lipos in flowerpots or the holes in a cinderblock now.

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PostThu Mar 05, 2020 11:36 am 
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I just make sure the charger part is on a solid surface, like the uncarpeted floor.  I store my bike in the house so I don't remove the battery to charge it.

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PostSat Mar 07, 2020 7:44 pm 
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France is leading the fight against illegal ebike tuning. On 24th of December 2019, an amended traffic law, Article L317-1, was passed, covering both personal motor-powered vehicles and pedal-assist bicycles. It states that anyone modifying their ebike to exceed the maximum authorized speed – currently 25 km/h for electric bicycles and 45 km/h for speed pedelecs – could now have their bike impounded, face one year in prison and fines of up to €30,000.

https://ebike-mtb.com/en/france-bans-illegal-emtb-tuning/
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PostSun Mar 08, 2020 8:13 pm 
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These sound cool.  Detachable motors!  When you want it, you've got an extra 250w, when you don't it's a carbon road bike with Ultegra and hydro brakes.  With the motor, it's about 25 pounds heavier than a modern "acoustic" road bike.

Road bikes are efficient, 250w is a lot when you're not giving it all up to the wind and the tires.

https://electrek.co/2020/03/08/bulls-electric-bicycles-fazua-rild-flow-alpine-hawk-evo/amp/


There's a gravel one too.  They're crazy expensive because of the novelty and the aesthetic.
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PostSun Mar 08, 2020 8:50 pm 
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I turned my assist off whilst on a flat stretch.  I had a tail wind and was going along at 15 to 17 mph.  Earlier, I sped up a grade in Turbo at a brisk 6mph.

Camera aimed towards Conconully ten miles or so in that direction.


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PostTue Mar 10, 2020 6:21 am 
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A thread on how far can you go.  That's the most common question and cannot be accurately answered as there are Too Many Depends Ons.  I like the phrase "Speed Costs".

https://electricbikereview.com/forums/threads/real-range-what-can-you-get-from-a-charge.32397/

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PostWed Mar 11, 2020 8:39 am 
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You kind of have the same thing on a regular bike, going fast takes more out of you.

I can never remember whether air resistance goes up with the square or cube of speed, but going faster takes way more energy.  You see that in fuel efficiency in your car too.
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