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PostSun Apr 13, 2014 7:49 am 
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Ski wrote:
Did I read that right? In 1930 there were 18 shelters, and by 1937 there were 79?

You read it right, but both lists are incomplete.  There were certainly more than 18 shelters in 1930, and many shelters were built in the 1930s.

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When I was a kid[1942], my dad and I were camped at Diamond Meadows shelter on the west fk of the Dose  . If you picked up the ear piece on the phone there you could listen to all the conversations going on in the area. I remember a lady up on Del Monte Ridge{plane spotter] talking to another lady on the Elwah. I guess that means the phone line from there came down to the Dose.  Jake

Fascinating, Jake!  Thanks!  We should look for telephone insulators in trees along the Constance Pass Trail up to Sunnybrook Meadows.
Note added Feb 2016: Taplin's 1932 Trail Guide shows a "T." for telephone at Constance Pass (fire lookout platform).  1933 Olympic NF map shows the telephone line connected to both Muscott Camp (Dosewallips) and Boulder Shelter (Dungeness) phone lines.

A brief review of Aircraft Warning Services wartime activities in Olympic is in Chapter 2 of the Backcountry Historic Structures Report.  AWS needs strained the Park's limited manpower, but provided funds for maintenance of the trail system and phone lines.

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PostSun Apr 13, 2014 10:31 pm 
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Rod,

All good questions.

So, to be clear....the original Shelter Rock "rock" is not related to the cabin.  My 1930 map shows "cabin" (look closely on the map below, directly above the "R" in Rainbow Trail) as well as Shelter Rock (where the actual rock was) a little more than a quarter mile upstream, and on the other side of the river from the cabin.  This is also consistent with many old timers I talked to over the years (Ralph McClanahan, Earl Ward as well as various relatives) who told me the "rock" was on the other side of the river, where the old trail used to go.  I've found the rock on a few occasions.  It is nothing like the Shelter Rock in Royal Basin.  2 or 3 people could probably sleep there out of the rain.  If you poke around there enough you can still find old tin cans, bits of glass etc.



Old timers referred to the Big Quil Forks as where Tunnel Creek and the Big Quil come together.  Back then it was called the North Fork (main fork of the river nowadays) and West Fork (Tunnel Creek).  Now, having said that, I've also seen references where the Townsend Creek confluence was also called The Forks.   Satterlee's The Dub of South Burlap describes coming to the Big River Forks when they dropped down through The Notch, about 1895 or so I think.  What they called the North Fork of the big river I'm pretty sure was Townsend Creek.  Having said all that, I think the shelter you are showing for the Big Quilcene Forks is a mistake.  They have to be referring to Bark Shanty.  The Big Quil Dam, located at the fork of the Big Quil and Tunnel Creek was constructed about 1927.  I know there was no shelter there.  Bark Shanty may have been called the Big Quil Forks by some folks due to the confluence of Townsend Creek.  BTW, my 1930 map (above) shows a camp at Bark Shanty.

Really interesting about the aircraft warning camp at Constance Pass!  I don’t recall seeing any telephone insulators beyond Boulder Shelter.  I was told the phone line up the Dungeness ended at Boulder Shelter, where the phone was mounted.  Of course, you have to remember the phone line predates the shelter by a few years.  Maybe the earliest phone line up the Dungeness simply connected with the line from Marmot Pass.  After Boulder Shelter was built the line up the Dungeness might have been extended to the shelter, where a phone could be mounted.  Incidentally, I’ve found the old line that dropped below Marmot Pass.  There are still huge rolls of wire down in the timber.  The phone line to Constance Pass came from the Dose via Sunny Brook.  I'm pretty sure I recall seeing insulators but can't swear to it.  This 1932 map (below) shows a telephone line at Constance Pass.  Interestingly, it is not shown on my 1930 map.



Sorry to be so long-winded!  I love talking about the old days.
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PostSun Apr 13, 2014 10:33 pm 
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Jake,

Sorry, I missed your message somehow.  I love hearing stories like that.  It validates all the stories I heard over the years.  Thank you for sharing!!
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http://www.nwhikers.net/forums/viewtopic.php?p=840730

RPBrown wrote:
Having said all that, I think the shelter you are showing for the Big Quilcene Forks is a mistake.  They have to be referring to Bark Shanty.

The 1937 report listing the shelters, posted here, lists both Bark Shanty with an estimated 100 visitors/season and Big Quilcene Forks with 150, suggesting these were two distinct sites.
But I've seen no other map or document mentioning it, so it might be a clerical error, or a shelter that was short-lived (fire, windfall,...?) and not replaced because the Bark Shanty road had been extended past it?

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This 1932 map (below) shows a telephone line at Constance Pass.  Interestingly, it is not shown on my 1930 map.

Great catch, Rich!  That's Jim Taplin's "Olympic Trail Guide", but I didn't realize there were two distinct 1930 and 1932 editions.  Mace kindly posted photos of the 1932 edition at this link.

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PostMon Apr 14, 2014 8:15 am 
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Rod,

I hear what you are saying and do not disagree.  There certainly could have been a shelter at the Big Quil Forks for a very short time.  I would say that it is highly unlikely since the road was punched up to that point by 1926-27, when the dam was built.  It also seems unlikely that they would build two shelters only a couple miles apart, unless of course maybe the Big Quil Forks Shelter was destroyed right away and they then decided to build one a little further upriver at Bark Shanty.

Also, I didn't say what I meant.  Both the 1930 and 32 map show a cabin just downstream of the original Shelter Rock.

Bark Shanty Camp first shows on the 1932 map.  It is noticeably absent on the 1930 map.

Good stuff!  Very much enjoy the discussion.
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PostMon Apr 14, 2014 9:55 am 
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Fascinating discussion.  Thank you so much for posting. Great maps also.

I have always wondered where the name for the present day Shelter Rock Camp on the Quilcene came from.  Now I am going to have to go up there and look for the rock you talk about.

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PostFri Sep 26, 2014 8:09 pm 
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Home Sweet Home and Low Divide replacement shelters 2002

Extracted from a PDF at link

Never flown in due to a lawsuit.

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Shannon Martinson graciously provided these photos of the Smith Place in the Queets Valley during its heyday in the early 1930s.

Many thanks to Cyclopath and Ancient Ambler for their help with the images.

I am posting these here in this thread for now, as I do not have access presently to my archived information in the other two computers.


Smith Place - Queets Valley - 1930s - View east of Smith Place. Smith addition on right. Shaube homestead cabin center. Structure left of metal chimney Smith addition. photo courtesy S. Martinson
Smith Place - Queets Valley - 1930s - View east of Smith Place. Smith addition on right. Shaube homestead cabin center. Structure left of metal chimney Smith addition. photo courtesy S. Martinson
Smith Place - Queets Valley - 1930s - View of north wall of Smith addition. Note stone fireplace, Navajo rug and wall hangings. photo courtesy S. Martinson
Smith Place - Queets Valley - 1930s - View of north wall of Smith addition. Note stone fireplace, Navajo rug and wall hangings. photo courtesy S. Martinson
Smith Place - Queets Valley - 1930s - view of northeast corner of Smith addition. Note peeled spruce log bunks hung with chains from ceiling, Navaho rug and wall hangings. photo courtesy S. Martinson
Smith Place - Queets Valley - 1930s - view of northeast corner of Smith addition. Note peeled spruce log bunks hung with chains from ceiling, Navaho rug and wall hangings. photo courtesy S. Martinson
Smith Place - Queets Valley - 1930s - View of east wall in Smith addition. Note Navajo rug, wall hangings. photo courtesy S. Martinson
Smith Place - Queets Valley - 1930s - View of east wall in Smith addition. Note Navajo rug, wall hangings. photo courtesy S. Martinson
Smith Place - Queets Valley - 1930s - View southeast showing Smith additions on Shaube homestead cabin and outbuilding in background. Note fenced garden area in foreground and fruit trees on right. photo courtesy S. Martinson
Smith Place - Queets Valley - 1930s - View southeast showing Smith additions on Shaube homestead cabin and outbuilding in background. Note fenced garden area in foreground and fruit trees on right. photo courtesy S. Martinson
Smith Place - Queets Valley - 1930s - View north from center of clearing. Structure in background presumably barn/woodshed. photo courtesy S. Martinson
Smith Place - Queets Valley - 1930s - View north from center of clearing. Structure in background presumably barn/woodshed. photo courtesy S. Martinson
Smith Place - Queets Valley - 1930s - View south from center of clearing. photo courtesy S. Martinson
Smith Place - Queets Valley - 1930s - View south from center of clearing. photo courtesy S. Martinson
Smith Place - Queets Valley - 1930s - Oscar Smith on right wearing hat. photo courtesy S. Martinson
Smith Place - Queets Valley - 1930s - Oscar Smith on right wearing hat. photo courtesy S. Martinson

Note glider swing in front of structure in first image (top left) is the same swing shown in photo here.

The last image (Oscar Smith wearing hat) was most likely taken just upstream from Smith Place, judging from the height of the bank on the opposite side of the river. The large pool there at the top of the gravel bar in front of Smith Place was a favorite fishing spot of my father's.

(all images used with permission S. Martinson 03/14)

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PostMon Sep 29, 2014 5:56 pm 
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Chico wrote:
Home Sweet Home and Low Divide replacement shelters 2002

Extracted from a PDF at link

Never flown in due to a lawsuit.

Thanks to reststep's recent post in another thread http://www.nwhikers.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=8013008  I was able to find additional photos of the replacement shelters that were built in town in 2002.

The online version of the Spring 2003 OPA Newsletter is missing pages 3 and 4, which is/are initial page(s) of the article ....... meaning the full newsletter likely contains additional images.

Italic text underneath each photo is a copy/paste of the newsletter caption.


"no photo credit in the newsletter <a href="http://www.olympicparkassociates.org/PDF/opa-news-v11n1.pdf" target="_blank">www.olympicparkassociates.org/PDF/opa-news-v11n1.pdf</a>"
"no photo credit in the newsletter www.olympicparkassociates.org/PDF/opa-news-v11n1.pdf"

"no photo credit in the newsletter <a href="http://www.olympicparkassociates.org/PDF/opa-news-v11n1.pdf" target="_blank">www.olympicparkassociates.org/PDF/opa-news-v11n1.pdf</a>"
"no photo credit in the newsletter www.olympicparkassociates.org/PDF/opa-news-v11n1.pdf"

"[i:c30e71dfdd]Paul Gleeson, Cultural Resource chief, and park carpenter Jim Wesley with the 'historic' prefabricated shelters. OPA, PEER, and Wilderness Watch assert that these new structures do not belong in Olympic Wilderness. Photograph by Seabury Blair, Jr.[/i:c30e71dfdd] <a href="http://www.olympicparkassociates.org/PDF/opa-news-v12n2.pdf" target="_blank">www.olympicparkassociates.org/PDF/opa-news-v12n2.pdf</a>"
"Paul Gleeson, Cultural Resource chief, and park carpenter Jim Wesley with the 'historic' prefabricated shelters. OPA, PEER, and Wilderness Watch assert that these new structures do not belong in Olympic Wilderness. Photograph by Seabury Blair, Jr. www.olympicparkassociates.org/PDF/opa-news-v12n2.pdf"

"[i:c30e71dfdd]Home Sweet Home flower-carpeted meadow, site of proposed shelter installation in Olympic National Park Wilderness. A judge ruled it would directly contradict the mandate to preserve wilderness character. Photo by Tim McNulty.[/i:c30e71dfdd] <a href="http://www.olympicparkassociates.org/PDF/opa-news-v13n3.pdf" target="_blank">www.olympicparkassociates.org/PDF/opa-news-v13n3.pdf</a>"
"Home Sweet Home flower-carpeted meadow, site of proposed shelter installation in Olympic National Park Wilderness. A judge ruled it would directly contradict the mandate to preserve wilderness character. Photo by Tim McNulty. www.olympicparkassociates.org/PDF/opa-news-v13n3.pdf"


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Spruce Bottom Shelter - Queets Valley

Spruce Bottom Shelter - Queets Valley - 1953 - photo John Dewitt Kirk Jr.
Spruce Bottom Shelter - Queets Valley - 1953 - photo John Dewitt Kirk Jr.

Spruce Bottom Shelter was originally constructed in 1928 at a cost of $196.00.
It was destroyed in 1976. Cause was attributed to "accidental visitor fire" (Kaune 1976; Olympic National Park 1981)

I have some vivid childhood memories of my family’s annual trip into the Olympics and the Spruce Bottom Shelter.

The Spruce Bottom Shelter was located five miles from the trailhead on the north (west) bank of the river, about fifteen feet south of a pair of enormous Sitka Spruce, which grow from a common point. There is a saddle between the two trees (where they join) about four or five feet off the ground. The site where the shelter stood is now covered with snowberry about four to five feet tall. The original site of the shelter was about 200 feet south of the present day “Spruce Bottom Camp,” a well- established hardened campsite that is located just off the trail and is surrounded by a small circle of large spruce.

There was a rock fire ring in front of the shelter. There were bunks in the shelter, built of split spruce. Overnight visitors peeled the moss off the surrounding maples to serve as padding under their sleeping bags, which we usually found infested with mice and vermin – the primary reason my mother Ellida hated Spruce Bottom Shelter.

My mother said there was a privy behind the shelter as well, although I do not remember it. She packed a glass bottle of Lysol up there to wash the privy.

I caught my first trout in front of Spruce Bottom Shelter in 1958, using a single egg and a 7-foot bamboo fly rod. My little sister Lise’ and I would construct small stone pens near the water’s edge so we could keep the tiny trout we caught as pets. My father made us turn them loose. (Kirk 2014a)

Bob Creek Shelter - Queets Valley

Front corner elevation of Bob Creek Shelter. A can and an identifying sign hang in front of shelter. NPS photo, courtesy of Russ Dalton (RDA.002.023)
Front corner elevation of Bob Creek Shelter. A can and an identifying sign hang in front of shelter. NPS photo, courtesy of Russ Dalton (RDA.002.023)
Bob Creek Shelter - Queets Valley - July 1953 - photo courtesy Russ Dalton - NPS photo
Bob Creek Shelter - Queets Valley - July 1953 - photo courtesy Russ Dalton - NPS photo

additional images of Bob Creek Shelter:
Bob Creek Shelter - by Lyle Cowles

Tshletshy Creek Shelter - Queets Valley

Tshletshy Creek Shelter - Queets Valley - June 1953 - photo courtesy Russ Dalton - NPS photo
Tshletshy Creek Shelter - Queets Valley - June 1953 - photo courtesy Russ Dalton - NPS photo

Pelton Creek Shelter - Queets Valley

Pelton Creek Shelter 1999 NPS Image (OLYM18381-066)
Pelton Creek Shelter 1999 NPS Image (OLYM18381-066)
Man reading by the fire on a snowy day at the Pelton Creek Shelter on the Queets River. NPS image. Courtesy Henry Bonham. (BON.001.019)
Man reading by the fire on a snowy day at the Pelton Creek Shelter on the Queets River. NPS image. Courtesy Henry Bonham. (BON.001.019)

additional images of Pelton Creek Shelter:

Pelton Creek Shelter - by Bruce

Pelton Creek Shelter - 2002 - by Ski - * also Spruce Bottom Shelter 1953 *

Pelton Creek Shelter - 2008 - by GoBlueHiker

Pelton Creek Shelter - August 2013 - by Gay Hunter, NPS

Kloochman Rock Lookout - Queets Valley

Originally constructed in 1934 by Wilbur and Louise Northup during their honeymoon after they were married September 29, 1934.
Wilbur used a jackhammer to flatten the top of the rock, at an elevation of 3356 feet, the highest point along Queets Ridge west of Pelton Peak.
The structure was torn down in 1957 because it had deteriorated. (Kelty 1995)
Kloochman straddles the NPS/NFS boundary, but the lookout was in ONF.
Today all that remains at Kloochman is a steel framed helicopter pad (Kirk 2014b)

Kloochman Rock Lookout - Queets Valley - photo courtesy Mary Ann Shaube Lujan - NPS photo
Kloochman Rock Lookout - Queets Valley - photo courtesy Mary Ann Shaube Lujan - NPS photo

(all images courtesy NPS)

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PostTue Sep 30, 2014 12:33 am 
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Rod: compare the Lyle Cowles image of the Bob Creek Shelter with the two above- note difference in roof - or are my eyes playing tricks on me?

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Ski wrote:
Rod: compare the Lyle Cowles image of the Bob Creek Shelter with the two above- note difference in roof.

Quite right!  Bob Creek Shelter had clearly been re-roofed in Russ Dalton's photo, with the rear stringers extended above the peak to create an overhang.  And the hitch rail was added.  But Lyle Cowle's photo is definitely of the same shelter - note the details in the overlap of the shake siding courses on the right side wall are identical, as is the signboard on the left post.

Funds were very limited in postwar years until the "Mission 66" program began in 1957.  But still, the Park managed to reopen most of its trail system (largely abandoned during WWII), build some new trails (O'Neil Pass), and maintain many of its ~80 trail shelters.  Difference is that then, over half the Park budget went into maintaining the 95% of the Park that is backcountry.  Today, that fraction is 6 to 8%, and might fall further under the Wilderness Stewardship Plan?  Making Olympic even more of a frontcountry park to serve automobile tourists and study Wilderness without visiting it, and less of a trail park as its 1938 founding policy promised.

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same/same. sign on left. note maples in background.

* previous post ammended

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George Anderson barn - Queets Valley 102514 - photo courtesy Jim Hoare
George Anderson barn - Queets Valley 102514 - photo courtesy Jim Hoare

Of all the structures that once existed in the Queets Valley, only the barn at the George Anderson homestead remains standing.

(photo courtesy Jim Hoare - used with permission)

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I have posted some new photos of Dose Meadows shelter and Kenneth Brown from around 1947.  Supplied by Burnett (his son)

http://www.windsox.us/VISITOR/history_shelters.html#WS2

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