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Lotus54
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| reststep wrote: | | What I mean by this is I don't know if it was decided by one person or a vote of the staff or a vote of the board of directors. |
From my experience, it is usually one person.
they ram it down everyone else's throat, or the others done care enough to argue.
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| iron wrote: | | WTF!!!!!!!!! isn't this the argument FOR decommissioning and removal of roads - to reduce erosion and sedimentation? how do we call BS to someone that matters??? |
thank you. I've tried to point out that naturally-occuring catastrophic streambank failures have been happening for thousands of years with no apparent detriment to salmonid habitat, but it seems at times to fall on deaf ears.
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Dayhike Mike
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Anyone know when the ROD will be published?
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Excerpt from the January Mountaineer's magazine:
The [Final Environmental Impact Statement] presents three action alternatives to restore motor vehicle access. Two of these are to build a bypass road .... and the third is to construct a bridge .... along the old road alignment. The Forest Service will publish a Record of Decision (ROD) choosing one of these alternatives.
The Mountaineers Conservation Division and Recreational Access Committee have studied this problem, participated in the discussions of the various proposals and have commented extensively at every opportunity. Now what should The Mountaineers' response be when the ROD is published?
Join the discussion at the upcoming Dosewallips Access Forum on Wed., January 26 from 7-9pm at the Kitsap Cabin. Members are encouraged to submit comments or RSVPs for the forum to Sarah Krueger, Mountaineers Conservation Manager. The FEIS can be found on the Olympic National Forest website.
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onemoremile
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I didn't see an option for a road on the south side of the river. There used to be one that goes up to the bridge just before elkhorn campground. It is overgrown with at least one small washout, but the road grade is still there.
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There was an amendment to the FEIS regarding the new Forest Plan which comment period ended on Monday.
I don't think there's a timeline for ROD's to be signed, is there? This is both NF and NPS, so it'll likely be a while...? I know the Whitechuck ROD took several months because there were internal back and forth's regarding the final alternative that was eventually chosen.
What's the Mountaineers meeting about? A response after the ROD is signed?
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Dayhike Mike
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Apparently. I don't have any details beyond what was in the article.
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| onemoremile wrote: | | I didn't see an option for a road on the south side of the river. There used to be one that goes up to the bridge just before elkhorn campground. It is overgrown with at least one small washout, but the road grade is still there. |
Essentially, ONF decided it would be too much of a problem to connect the two roads. The Brothers Wilderness goes all the way down to the river between the bridge and road up stream of the washout and the roads down stream of the washout on the south side of the river. ONF would need to have Congress vote to change the boundary of The Brothers Wilderness so that a road could be built to connect the two roads. If I remember correctly ONF determined that it would be unlikely that Congress would make any changes to the wilderness boundary.
Dose FEIS final. I don't remember where it is in the FEIS, but ONF lists all the options that they had come up with and one was in regards to connecting the two roads and listed the reason why they didn't go through with it. Their reason pretty much summed up what I said above and I was going off my memory of what I read in the FEIS a couple of months ago.
Dosewallips FEIS release letter. Alternate C is preferred. I read somewhere that ONF plans to rebuild the road, but at the present moment its held up because ONF does not have the funding at the moment to proceed with the rebuilding of the road.
edit: "Southern Road" alternative listed on page 38 on the following link to a PDF of part of the FEIS. Dosewallips Road Alternatives
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Thanks Olympic Hiker. I wasn't sure if that road was actually in The Brothers or skirted it. If in it, agree, they probably couldn't because of the wilderness designation. The washout has been eroding nicely for fish during the meantime.
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Jan 13 2011
OK I just talked to Mr. Tim Davis at ONF.
Mr. Davis said they're now casting for funding sources, and as a result of the various meetings, several issues have come up (some sources want to do X, not Y, and other sources have different policies regarding X vs. Y).
After a funding source is found,* the ROD will be signed. After the signed ROD is published, there is a 45-day period for anyone wishing to appeal the decision (appeals are limited to those people or entities who commented). Mr. Davis indicated that in the case of the Dose, it is reasonable to expect at least one appeal. No surprise there. If the decision is appealed, it could delay the process for several months.
(and damn the luck, probably once the appeal is won, the funding source award deadline will have expired, and they'll have to re-apply  )
*I personally don't expect them to find a funding source anytime soon, but hopefully I'm wrong. The Suiattle funding was cloudy for a long time, and that wasn't nearly as environmentally controversial as the Dose
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| Quark wrote: | | (and damn the luck, probably once the appeal is won, the funding source award deadline will have expired, and they'll have to re-apply ) |
Luck?! More like the desired results of artfully timed obstruction.
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WTH?
twelve years later, still no fix?
Kim, as I said in the email, last time I spoke with Davis (several years ago) my understanding was that the only thing holding this up was lack of money.
Today I'm getting a completely different answer. Or, to be more accurate, a total non answer- just a lot of vague ambiguous runaround stuff.
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WTA's official stance on the Dose rebuild is now no stance. At least it was last time I checked.
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Thanks Andrea. It's nice to know that in this case, their readers/followers/volunteers opinions were listened to.
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| Hesman wrote: | | I remember that WTA was adamant about not reopening the Dosewallips and I was just reading the other day that WTA is gung-ho about reopening the Suiattle River Road. Go figure. I guess that reopening the Suiattle River Road is more important to WTA than reopening the Dosewallips. |
This just means WTA is a thinking organization, not zealots with a blanket policy. The fact that WTA changed positions on this issue twice means they don't have blinders on, and take a fresh look at projects as new issues arise.
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