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dacker little black dots
Joined: 27 Sep 2006 Posts: 738 | TRs | Pics Location: the end of my rope |
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Thu Apr 03, 2008 10:06 am
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One month to the day from the last TR from this location, here is another one, but with a different twist.
Cast of characters:
Carol (silly_traveler) Taehee Rick (Dacker)
We had a real bluebird day for our outing, but we encountered some unexpectedly sketchy snow conditions: about 6 - 8 inches of sluffy powder on top of an icy layer that made the footing very treacherous and slowed us down to where we knew we weren't going to make our turnaround time.
Carol kicks up a rooster tail of snow This looks like flat terrain in the photo, but if you can spot the top of Carol's tan baseball cap at lower center, she is standing upright. Scenery Clothing adjustment Cornice Snag Summit block from just below our high point Icicles Scenery Carol arrives at high point Rick arrives at high point
We got to a point on the ridge at 5200' where it steepens for its final push to the summit and saw that the way ahead, far from the smooth snow slope Carol remembered from her previous visit, was a convoluted obstacle course of cornices just begging for someone to trigger a slide:
The corniced summit ridge Cornice close-up Digging out lunch at high point
So, as it was close to our turnaround time anyway, we ate a very late lunch and headed back down. Good thing we didn't wait longer as the descent from the ridge to the RR tracks was slow and scary. We took off our snowshoes and got out our ice axes before we left the ridge. Everyone had to self-arrest at least once and we were constantly setting off small loose powder slides as we descended.
But we all got down in one piece and declared the trip an unqualified success--even without a summit--since the weather and scenery were so great, and we all made it down safely.
We don't stop hiking because we grow old; we grow old because we stop hiking. --Finis Mitchell
We don't stop hiking because we grow old; we grow old because we stop hiking. --Finis Mitchell
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the Zachster Member
Joined: 17 Jan 2007 Posts: 4776 | TRs | Pics Location: dog training |
What a great day to be out in the mountains! Thanks for the report and pics. Arrowhead is still on my "to do" list. How late in the season do you think it might go?
"May I always be the kind of person my dog thinks I am"
"May I always be the kind of person my dog thinks I am"
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yukon222 Member
Joined: 12 Mar 2007 Posts: 1893 | TRs | Pics
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Thu Apr 03, 2008 10:21 am
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Nice shots! Loose snow on top of icy layer isn't fun; glad to hear you guys made it up and back. Sure looks like the weather was a nice consolation price in lieu of the summit. I still need to get up there too.
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Matt Tea, Earl Grey, Hot
Joined: 30 Jan 2007 Posts: 4307 | TRs | Pics Location: Shoreline |
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Thu Apr 03, 2008 11:13 am
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What is this "turn-around time" of which you speak?
I'm not sure most of us here are aware of this concept.
“As beacons mountains burned at evening.” J.R.R. Tolkien
“As beacons mountains burned at evening.” J.R.R. Tolkien
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wildernessed viewbagger
Joined: 31 Oct 2004 Posts: 9275 | TRs | Pics Location: Wenatchee |
Living in the Anthropocene
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dacker little black dots
Joined: 27 Sep 2006 Posts: 738 | TRs | Pics Location: the end of my rope |
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Thu Apr 03, 2008 12:26 pm
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Matt wrote: | What is this "turn-around time" of which you speak?
I'm not sure most of us here are aware of this concept. |
It's a climber thing. That really surprises me Matt, since you are a climber, aren't you?
Anyway, before setting out on a trip--usually a climb--a time is set beyond which we feel continuing up could result in an unwanted after-dark descent or even an epic, so we plan to turn around at that time no matter where we are. Even though this was a hike and not a climb, the conditions made me feel that setting a turnaround time was appropriate. So I set it at 3:00 pm, a time I felt we could leave from as far as the summit and safely get down that sketchy steep slidey stuff before dark. We got back to the tracks about 5:00, so it turned out to be a conservative turnaround time, even given the slide conditions, but if we had gone all the way up, we would have needed all the time it allowed and maybe then some. But that's just me. I am very conservative in the mountains: "those who look and turn away live to climb another day."
We don't stop hiking because we grow old; we grow old because we stop hiking. --Finis Mitchell
We don't stop hiking because we grow old; we grow old because we stop hiking. --Finis Mitchell
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Matt Tea, Earl Grey, Hot
Joined: 30 Jan 2007 Posts: 4307 | TRs | Pics Location: Shoreline |
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Thu Apr 03, 2008 1:38 pm
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Yeah, actually I know what it is.
I was just joking about how rare it is for a group to actually follow through on a turn-around-time, rather than just keep going as though they had never heard of such a thing.
“As beacons mountains burned at evening.” J.R.R. Tolkien
“As beacons mountains burned at evening.” J.R.R. Tolkien
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yukon222 Member
Joined: 12 Mar 2007 Posts: 1893 | TRs | Pics
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Thu Apr 03, 2008 1:43 pm
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I usually have a turnaround time, but it is flexible. I like to set it so I know I could make it back down the trail even with horrible conditions or injury. If at the turnaround time, weather has remained good and no problems, I may stretch the "official" turnaround time to the "real" turnaround time which I always follow.
Kind of like setting your alarm clock to go off 30 minutes prior to when you have to get up!
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silly_traveler ~ roaming ~
Joined: 04 Jun 2006 Posts: 1525 | TRs | Pics Location: Bellevue |
♫ You have brains in your head. You have feet in your shoes. You can steer yourself any direction you choose. And you're the one who will decide where you'll go. Oh the places you'll go. - Dr. Seuss
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cartman Member
Joined: 20 Feb 2007 Posts: 2800 | TRs | Pics Location: Fremont |
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Thu Apr 03, 2008 3:08 pm
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Matt wrote: | What is this "turn-around time" of which you speak?
I'm not sure most of us here are aware of this concept. |
The time you turn around after reaching the summit. Seriously.
Actually, I almost never set a turnaround time; if I turn around before reaching the goal, it's almost always due to conditions, not time. Though this has led to one or two fairly interesting experiences.
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dacker little black dots
Joined: 27 Sep 2006 Posts: 738 | TRs | Pics Location: the end of my rope |
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Thu Apr 03, 2008 5:43 pm
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Duh!
If I had thought about it for a second before launching into a long-winded explanation, I would have realized that was a tongue-in-cheek comment. Now I've gone and started a whole new topic about "do you observe turnaround times."
We don't stop hiking because we grow old; we grow old because we stop hiking. --Finis Mitchell
We don't stop hiking because we grow old; we grow old because we stop hiking. --Finis Mitchell
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TrailPair Member
Joined: 17 Apr 2005 Posts: 1699 | TRs | Pics
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Your snow conditions sounded terrible...nothing like we had last year. Good to hear you all made it down safely!
This thing called work is interfering with my play
This thing called work is interfering with my play
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Magellan Brutally Handsome
Joined: 26 Jul 2006 Posts: 13116 | TRs | Pics Location: Inexorable descent |
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Thu Apr 03, 2008 9:36 pm
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Turn around times: Out of food, out of ooomph, or out of up.
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bobbi stillaGUAMish
Joined: 13 Jul 2006 Posts: 8012 | TRs | Pics Location: olympics! |
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Thu Apr 03, 2008 10:34 pm
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ice ax self-arresting?
looked like a fun day despite the snow conditions.
glad you honored your turn around time!
super pictures!
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"Today is your day! Your mountain is waiting. So…get on your way!" - Oh, the Places You’ll Go! By Dr. Seuss
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"Today is your day! Your mountain is waiting. So…get on your way!" - Oh, the Places You’ll Go! By Dr. Seuss
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silly_traveler ~ roaming ~
Joined: 04 Jun 2006 Posts: 1525 | TRs | Pics Location: Bellevue |
A few photos to share
♫ You have brains in your head. You have feet in your shoes. You can steer yourself any direction you choose. And you're the one who will decide where you'll go. Oh the places you'll go. - Dr. Seuss
♫ You have brains in your head. You have feet in your shoes. You can steer yourself any direction you choose. And you're the one who will decide where you'll go. Oh the places you'll go. - Dr. Seuss
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