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Sarvesh
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Not this time....
No love for SEA
I think David Stern will never be able to go to Seattle and feel safe. Sort of like the officiating crew from Super Bowl XL.
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Doppelganger
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| I am ok with the decision - the team is a mess, and I wouldn't get much joy out of taking a team away from another town (although that's probably how a team will ultimately return to Seattle, the NBA can't/shouldn't support another expansion). |
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Slugman
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Nothing is decided yet. That is just a committee vote and the Maloofs will sue. Who is going to match Hansen's offer? The NBA?
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Chainsaw_Willie
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I don't follow this stuff very closely because I really don't give a rip about the NBA, but seeing as how it's impossible to turn on the news without hearing about it I'm now naturally curious about one thing:
What is the objection to giving Seattle an expansion team? Can someone put it it in a nutshell for me? Seems we have the money to build the stadium, buy the team, and plenty of people willing to buy tickets. Is the NBA like DeBeers, figuring on keeping their value inflated through artificial scarcity? I don't get how *not* selling their product helps them.
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tigermn
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| Chainsaw_Willie wrote: |
| What is the objection to giving Seattle an expansion team? Can someone put it it in a nutshell for me? |
An oversimplification part of it is the more teams you have in the league the more ways you have to split the pie.
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tigermn
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| Slugman wrote: |
| Nothing is decided yet. That is just a committee vote and the Maloofs will sue. Who is going to match Hansen's offer? The NBA? |
In fact only the relocation committee which is 7 votes. They only need a simple majority for relocation on an actual vote. In theory they could vote to relocate. The NBA is such a pansy go with the flow league though I would be surprised.
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Redwic
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David Stern has not been very accommodating to Seattle getting another team, all along. Despite questionable funds and a vastly incomplete plan for a new Sacramento arena, he has never acted hopeful of Seattle getting another franchise... He repeatedly says that expansion is off of the table.
And Clay Bennett is the head of the approval committee, which I find to be a complete conflict of interests for this situation because he gets $$$ for all Sonics merchandise sold until Seattle gets another "Sonics" team. So why would he want that to happen?
As for the unanimous vote, these owners tend to stick together and seldom go against each other in such situations.
This is not a total shock.
But the fact expansion is still not an option is ridiculous.
And it looks like Hansen might be out $30 Million, plus all the extra $$$ spent for this process since the sale began.
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33teeth
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| Slugman wrote: |
| Who is going to match Hansen's offer? The NBA? |
I'm not 100% sure that it's dollar for dollar (I'm not sure that's in the public record), but to the degree that the NBA cares, the Sacramento group has matched Hansen's offer.
So...
You want to steal another city's team?
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touron
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You want to steal another city's team? |
The only team I would want to steal would be Oklahoma's.  Other than that, why not start an expansion team here?
For some reason this reminds me of the story about the knife. Once when I was little, we all went out for a typical Sunday picnic--probably to Denny Creek or up the Middle Fork. But on the way, Mom wanted to stop at Safeway first. Why did every picnic always seem to involve a shopping trip?  But I digress, bread was on sale, and we stopped. My rich, older brother got out of the car and goes over to the gumball machine outside the store, only it wasn't selling gumballs, it was selling little plastic toys for a dime. He puts in his dime and...out comes a little green plastic knife. Man, speaking of green, my sister and I were green with envy. Yeah, the knife was about a 1/2 inch long and probably couldn't cut paper without assistance, but...it was a knife, and neither of us owned one, whereas my older brother already had a scout knife (two blades plus bottle and can opener) and a trim trio knife. Life was not fair! He now had three knives. We had zero. Seizing on this lobsided situation of supply and demand, my brother cracked an evil grin and said, I'll sell it to the highest bidder." Now I can't remember if we were at that age where we were yet getting $.25 allowance per month, but either way, neither of us could afford to bid, but bid we did. $.10...$.15...$.20...$.25....$.27....."STOP!" It was the authortative voice of my Dad. Sanity once again reigned, and the auction was off. My sister and I probably felt the same relief that that guy did in the Pit and the Pendulum when he was suddenly rescued by General Lasalle. And yet, neither of us had a knife.  So what does this have to do with Sacramento? Sacramento is the knife.
Give us back the Oklahoma Thunder!
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Doppelganger
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| tigermn wrote: |
| Chainsaw_Willie wrote: |
| What is the objection to giving Seattle an expansion team? Can someone put it it in a nutshell for me? |
An oversimplification part of it is the more teams you have in the league the more ways you have to split the pie. |
I look at it like there are two pies. One is the financial pie, the NBA does not enjoy the financial laurels of the NFL or even the MLB. The addition of more teams would stretch the league thinner. The sport isn't built to attract fans to teams who embrace teamwork, run a solid system, etc. Without a highly marketable superstar or two, the current model of the NBA dictates that it's teams will fail.
The other pie is made of talent. The more teams, the fewer quality pieces there are to distribute between them, and the overall quality of the product offered by the league becomes lower (arguably). I guess this is less of a problem, there is probably enough talent globally to fill another 14-15 seat bench. |
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tigermn
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| Redwic wrote: |
| And it looks like Hansen might be out $30 Million, plus all the extra $$$ spent for this process since the sale began. |
A potential lawsuit but I don't see Hansen as that type of guy but I wouldn't blame him.
I guess we'll see how ruthless he can be. I mean he could still go through and buy the team anyway, leave it in Sacramento and run it into the ground. 
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jbsimm2
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| I thought I read somewhere that If Seattle does not get a team by end of 2013, Clay Bennett is on the hook for more money. if this is true, I am surprised he voted no on the relocation. |
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tigermn
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| jbsimm2 wrote: |
| I thought I read somewhere that If Seattle does not get a team by end of 2013, Clay Bennett is on the hook for more money. if this is true, I am surprised he voted no on the relocation. |
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| Bennett announced that the settlement calls for a payment of $45 million immediately, and would include another $30 million paid to Seattle in 2013 if the state legislature in Washington authorizes at least $75 million in public funding to renovate KeyArena by the end of 2009 and Seattle doesn't obtain an NBA franchise of its own within the next five years. |
The legislature did not authorize $75 million in public funding to renovate KeyArena by the end of 2009 so that potential $30 million is dead regardless of whether Seattle gets an NBA franchise or not.
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johnson37
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| Hansen et al just got played. Stern used them to artificially inflate the value of every team, including the Kings, and gleefully snubbed us again at the press conference. I would "elucidate" further but the whole saga was so predictable that it hardly warrants further attention. |
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