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PostMon Jun 30, 2008 1:10 pm 
I have heard that as long as the clear liquid inside of the Epi-Pen is not cloudy then it will still work. Your supposed to get a new on every couple of years.

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PostMon Jun 30, 2008 2:59 pm 
Okay, sorry about the gross picture, but this is what I am worried about. This was taken last week after going out in my yard and being bitten by a mosquito! I've had a few similar reactions in the mountains and thought they were from black flies because it had never happened at home (no biting flies here). The worst one was on Navaho Pk a couple of years ago. The whole side of my calf swelled up. I took benadryl before I went to bed and it was almost completely better by morning. The only other serious allergic reaction I've ever had was 2 1/2 years ago when I came down with a mysterious case of hives which ran from the top of my head to the bottom of my feet. It was the strangest experience I've ever had. They lasted almost two weeks and the doctors didn't know what caused them. How worried should I be? paranoid.gif

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PostMon Jun 30, 2008 3:18 pm 
Worried enough to see another Doctor - take this picture and show it to yours, and keep showing it until you run into an allergist or other specialist who knows what he or she is looking at, and can prescribe precautions for you. The UW Med Center has a number of good clinics if you need a starting point for this.

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PostMon Jun 30, 2008 3:22 pm 
Thanks Lono. I'm afraid that, "stay inside" just doesn't work for me!

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PostMon Jun 30, 2008 3:30 pm 
I didn't mean to imply you should stay inside - just get it checked out until someone can clear up the mystery. Everyone has different allergies and reactions, yours just looks curiouser than most. You'll be fine.

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PostMon Jun 30, 2008 3:31 pm 
biggrin.gif I know you didn't! I've hear it from people who just don't understand us outdoor junkies. I probably need to see a specialist as you suggested.

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PostMon Jun 30, 2008 4:46 pm 
You are a local and dermal hyper reactor. That makes you more likely to progress to a more severe, generalized type of reaction. Yes, that makes you a candidate for carrying epipens(IMO). I'm not an allergist but even my general medical and orthopedic background tells me you ought to be prepared when you go out whether it is back country or back yard. agree.gif You will need to see a physician to get a RX but does not have to wait to get an appointment with a specialist, your GP or FP can do that.

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PostMon Jun 30, 2008 5:50 pm 
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You are a local and dermal hyper reactor.
Are you flirting with me??? biggrin.gif Just kidding. Thanks Beyond Lost. So, do you think I should see an allergist, or just head for my GP to get an epi pen? Is there anything an allergist can do for me other than tell me I'm allergic and that I need to carry an epi pen?

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PostMon Jun 30, 2008 5:56 pm 
I'd go to the GP and if he/she will order it, go no farther. Shoot, I've been married so long I've forgotten how to flirt. lol.gif Peg and I have been married 48 years now. I was a child bride. clown.gif

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PostMon Jun 30, 2008 5:58 pm 
Will do. Thanks for the advice, and congratulations on 48 years! A good marriage is a wonderful thing! smile.gif

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PostMon Jun 30, 2008 6:01 pm 
Interesting stuff... But I must be very lucky. I get stung all the time! I'm never in the front of the pack so all my companions stir up the nests and then I get nailed, usual multiple stings. Happens every year. I used to get nervous, waiting for some kind of reaction but other than local pain, I've been fine. Now the Zachster is another story. He has been stung twice and the first time I thought we were going to lose him. He started wallking really slow, then came to a stop and did not react to any interaction. He was very dazed and confused. It lasted about a half hour and when I finally got him moving down hill, I cried all the way back to the trailhead. It's awful not knowing what to do. Does anyone have suggestions for dogs getting stung?

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PostMon Jun 30, 2008 6:17 pm 
Couple of links about veterinary use of epineprine. Evidently is and can be used on dogs. I would suspect the pedi dose and even less for small dogs but I'm not a vet. http://www.endtimesreport.com/vetmed.html6.
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Veterinary medicines are available over the counter, without a prescription, from many drug stores in horse country and from most feed and seed stores. Therefore, the costs are quite humane. 7. Epinephrine 1:1000 for the treatment of anaphylactic shock is the same as human epinephrine, but the cost via prescription quadruples the cost vs veterinary medicines. This product is now only available from a veterinarian, or by prescription from your physician -- but some veterinary supply stores stock it for sale with only with a signature - by government decree. If you cannot get a supply from a local veterinarian, tell your doctor you're a beekeeper and need to keep some EpiPen Auto-injectors handy, and you should be able to get a prescription for epinephrine.
http://www.cooldoghalloffame.com/dog-health/severe-allergic-reactions/678

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PostTue Jul 22, 2008 9:17 pm 
sorry to revive the thread but I have some experience with this topic. For the people who are allergic to bees, and I am one of them, and are going on multiday adventures, there is another thing that will really help. Epi only works for a litte bit. It wares off fairly fast. Benadryl may keep you alive if you get it fast enough. I personally almost died because of only taking benadryl and not getting something stronger in time. Now I have a prednisone pack with me. Prednisone is what they give you in the hospital when you are about to die from a bee sting. It can have some rather nasty side effects but you only take it for 5 days or so. Completly shuts down your immune system. I also suggest that people get desensitized so you dont have to worry as much about it. you need a prescription for it. hope this information might help someone.

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PostTue Jul 22, 2008 10:54 pm 
Interesting. Any other feedback on this prednisone?

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PostWed Jul 23, 2008 6:05 am 
Sometimes I puff up a little around the sting site, and sometimes only uncreative cussing occurs. I do pack a little container of benadryls around when bee season begins. I also have a primatene tablet in there too. A logger I run around with sometimes has an epipen taped to his suspender strap. He's deadly allergic and had to use it last year. He has told me, if he fails to get it in time, and I'm along, grab the epipen, jab it through his jeans and into a thigh--no pushing any plungers is necessary.

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