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| Quote: | | The Global Rightward Shift on Climate Change
Last Thursday, Malcolm Turnbull was the prime minister of Australia. By the end of this week, he’ll be just another guy in Sydney.
Turnbull was felled by climate-change policy. His attempt at a moderate, even milquetoast energy bill—which included some mild cuts in greenhouse-gas emissions—proved too aggressive for his co-partisans. On Friday, members of Australia’s center-right Liberal Party voted him out of office.
Pity for Turnbull, though at least he can he can trudge home to his mansion on Sydney Harbor. And pity for Australia, which lately has had some trouble keeping its prime ministers in office. (It’s churned through six of them since 2007.) Yet even setting that context aside, Turnbull’s tumble remains a disquieting sign for anyone hoping for an aggressive global climate policy. In Australia—where global warming has contributed to the die-off of half the coral in the Great Barrier Reef since 2016—even a mild climate bill could not pass under a conservative government.
It points to an emerging pattern: Moderate national leaders—on both the center-left and center-right—in some of the world’s richest and most advanced countries are finding it far easier to talk about climate change than to actually fight it.
At a basic level, this pattern holds up, well, everywhere. Every country except the United States supports the Paris Agreement on climate change.
But no major developed country is on track to meet its Paris climate goals, according to the Climate Action Tracker, an independent analysis produced by three European research organizations. Even Germany, Japan, and the United Kingdom—where right-wing governments have made combatting climate change a national priority—seem likely to miss their goals. |
President Trump may be leading the rich, English-speaking world to scale back environmental policies
gosh, with green sources trumpeted as 'cheaper' in spite of their driving ever higher costs of power, selling the idea of power which is *actually* less expensive should be no more difficult than.......... actually lowering rates without using subsidies while not taking losses, and proving it. 
Diplomacy is the art of saying 'Nice doggie' until you can find a rock. - Will Rogers
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Yeah, If ever there was a clear cut example of governmental policy set by objective science and not the last thing seen on Fox and Friends it's Trump's environmental policies.
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MtnGoat
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"Objective" science? What is the example you're positing?
Diplomacy is the art of saying 'Nice doggie' until you can find a rock. - Will Rogers
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| MtnGoat wrote: | | "Objective" science? What is the example you're positing? |
Here is one summarized. If you think this statement doesn't reflect the data, then please do post what the Televangeslist Watts just said on his blog.
| Quote: | | There is very little chance that 2018 will be a record warm year. It may be fourth or fifth or possibly third.. That''s still amazing, as this has been a la Nina year, which should be cooler than normal. The previous 4 warmest years over the last century are in this decade. With la Nina ending and a possible el Nino developing this fall, next year will have an excellent chance to be the warmest since records have been kept. Besides doing a yearly global temperature market for next year, I would like to see a monthly market with brackets. |
First post on your market blog above. I don't suppose you know what a La Nina or El Nino is. You'll need to look that up but I'd bet you would have a tough time finding anything credible on the Televangelist's blog.
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Disagreement with you, is hardly evidence of what I do or don't know about the topic at hand. Snark isn't an argument.
Diplomacy is the art of saying 'Nice doggie' until you can find a rock. - Will Rogers
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Global Warming could cause an increase in beer prices. I went to pick the hops that the neighbor lets me pick every year and the ones with southern exposure were stunted and fried. 
Go placidly amid the noise and waste, and remember what comfort there may be in owning a piece thereof.
Go placidly amid the noise and waste, and remember what comfort there may be in owning a piece thereof.
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AGW enthusiasts are using back door payments to push their agenda to impose what they cannot gain in elections...
| Quote: | | Those public records reveal the anatomy of what began as an “informal coalition” of AGs to use the legal system in pursuit of an overtly political agenda in coordination with activists and plaintiffs’ lawyers. That coalition disbanded under open records and media scrutiny, but it has now reconstituted through a program by which donorsfund, privately hire, andplace investigators and prosecutors in AG offices.
It uses a nonprofit organization to pass the funding through and to provide the OAGs with a network of “pro bono” attorneys and public relations services. In return, OAGs provide office space to the privately hired prosecutors; agree they are there to “advanc[e] progressive clean energy, climate change, and environmental legal positions”; and provide regular reports about their work. |
The ends justify the means, right?
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| MtnGoat wrote: | AGW enthusiasts are using back door payments to push their agenda to impose what they cannot gain in elections...
| Quote: | | Those public records reveal the anatomy of what began as an “informal coalition” of AGs to use the legal system in pursuit of an overtly political agenda in coordination with activists and plaintiffs’ lawyers. That coalition disbanded under open records and media scrutiny, but it has now reconstituted through a program by which donorsfund, privately hire, andplace investigators and prosecutors in AG offices.
It uses a nonprofit organization to pass the funding through and to provide the OAGs with a network of “pro bono” attorneys and public relations services. In return, OAGs provide office space to the privately hired prosecutors; agree they are there to “advanc[e] progressive clean energy, climate change, and environmental legal positions”; and provide regular reports about their work. |
The ends justify the means, right? |
Ah, the horsepucky conspiracist theory.
Just the facts, Maam.
Just the Facts, Maam!
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| Quote: | | The plan traces back to 2012 when activists agreed to seek “a single sympathetic attorney general” to assist their cause. AGs began subpoenaing private parties’ records in service of a campaign of litigation against opponents of their climate policy agenda. The public records date to a July 2015 email in which Peter Frumhoff of the Union of Concerned Scientists confided the group’s involvement with AGs.
Those public records reveal the following: (a) donors introduced plaintiffs’ lawyers to AG offices (OAGs), (b) a slideshow tour by plaintiffs’ lawyers recruiting OAGs to the effort, and (c) senior attorneys from OAGs flying in—some at taxpayer expense and others on the donors’ tab, which had been run through a pressure group— for a briefing with “prospective funders” about “potential state causes of action against major carbon producers.”
One presenter described this briefing as a“secret meeting.”It was secret enough that one AG litigated to withhold the agenda— under implausible claims of privilege—for a year and a half before being compelled by a court to release the lineup for what turned out to have been an AG-assisted fundraiser. |
Are you claiming this empirical, public record evidence, with all sources footnoted, is false?
| Quote: | | The complete collection of documents cited in this paper is available at ClimateLitigationWatch.org, a project of the nonprofit public interest law firm Government Accountability & Oversight. |
Just the facts
Just the facts
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^ second chart there is interesting in that it may possibly explain how the Norse managed to establish settlements up the west coast of Greenland during the 9th and 10 centuries which were subsequently abandoned after a relatively short period.
"I shall wear white flannel trousers, and walk upon the beach.
I have heard the mermaids singing, each to each."
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I have heard the mermaids singing, each to each."
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| MtnGoat wrote: | | Just the facts
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What happened to all the years after 2000? Could you please add those to the graph?
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| Ski wrote: | | ^ second chart there is interesting in that it may possibly explain how the Norse managed to establish settlements up the west coast of Greenland during the 9th and 10 centuries which were subsequently abandoned after a relatively short period. |
That is true, Ski. If that subject interests you, Jared Diamond's book "Collapse" goes into a great deal about the failed enterprise. Collapse
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| gb wrote: | | What happened to all the years after 2000? Could you please add those to the graph? |
I'm sure you can find it with your (implied) superior knowledge.
It won't change the fact that natural variation during this interglacial already demonstrated huge variations all on it's own.
The sole difference between what we observe and the claims made for CO2, and natural variation...is the claims made specifically for CO2 causation of the increase. All observed temp variations and their impacts, are also consistent with the natural record.
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| gb wrote: | | Ski wrote: | | ^ second chart there is interesting in that it may possibly explain how the Norse managed to establish settlements up the west coast of Greenland during the 9th and 10 centuries which were subsequently abandoned after a relatively short period. |
That is true, Ski. If that subject interests you, Jared Diamond's book "Collapse" goes into a great deal about the failed enterprise. Collapse |
This is a very interesting graph and analysis mainly related to volcanic activity and......
Long range temperature swings
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