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whistlingmarmot
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PostSun Mar 08, 2009 3:59 pm 
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My 2004 Subaru with 100k miles needs a new head gasket.  I've heard good things about Gregs Japanese Auto, and found All Wheel Drive Auto in Kirkland via google.  I'm willing to drive up north but can anyone recommend some shops, preferably in Tacoma/Olympia?  Dealers are one option, but they're pretty expensive.
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Backpacker Joe
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PostSun Mar 08, 2009 4:03 pm 
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There are Greggs down your way.  I've had really good experiences with them.  Outside of the vehicles warranty Id use Greggs.

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PostSun Mar 08, 2009 5:09 pm 
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No personal experience but I've heard and read good things about these guys. No where near Tacoma.  smile.gif

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Jeff
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PostSun Mar 08, 2009 6:02 pm 
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As someone who is looking to buy a used Outback in that mileage range, why does a car with 100k miles need a new head gasket?
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PostSun Mar 08, 2009 6:24 pm 
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Apparently Subaru's in the '00-'02 vintage have this problem more so than normal.  And perhaps Subaru's in general might be more susceptible to this problem than other cars.  This was my impression from googling around.  If I ever bought another Subaru I'd get the extended 120k warranty, or a different vehicle.  Kind of disappointed in the thing at this point.
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PostSun Mar 08, 2009 8:20 pm 
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My friend's Outback had the same problem.  The folks at Suburb Service in Marysville told him that Subaru has remedied this problem with the newer Outbacks, so anything less than, say, four or five years old shouldn't be a problem.  My brother has a '99 Outback, which fits into the time frame of the ones with the headgasket problem, but he has never had any problems of any kind with it.  It has been the most trouble-free car he has ever had.
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PostSun Mar 08, 2009 8:27 pm 
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Smokey wrote:
No personal experience but I've heard and read good things about these guys. No where near Tacoma.  smile.gif

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Federal Way IS near Tacoma homer. moon.gif

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PostSun Mar 08, 2009 8:32 pm 
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Backpacker Joe wrote:
Smokey wrote:
No personal experience but I've heard and read good things about these guys. No where near Tacoma.  smile.gif

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Federal Way IS near Tacoma homer. moon.gif

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My link is for Smart Service, Shoreline and Everett.
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PostSun Mar 08, 2009 11:02 pm 
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BPJ are you high right now?  peace.gif
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PostWed Jul 24, 2019 5:45 am 
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How about 60,000 needing new head gasket? Total shocker, and it's a Toyota. The irony is or was this issue is why I didn't buy a Subaru. frown.gif

Didn't drive it far but it has the light not a gauge.... Instead of a heat icon there should be 4 dollar signs $,$$$!
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PostWed Jul 24, 2019 9:42 am 
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How does an '04 only have 100K?  My '01 non-Outback Subie wagon has well over double that mileage.  No head gasket problems so far.
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PostWed Jul 24, 2019 2:53 pm 
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My dad had an '86 Subaru,  that's why I drive a Honda even though the Subaru AWD system is superior.
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PostWed Jul 24, 2019 7:01 pm 
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I not at all a fan of the boxer engine design Subaru uses.  You have the hot parts of the engine low where its more likely to have water splash on it.  Certainly not great for any gasket life.  It also requires the use of a timing belt design that requires ~80k mile replacement.  Finally the stupid spilt case is a not fun to rebuild.

A normal 4 cylinder with a timing chain is a far superior engine with a fraction of the maintenance.

Compare the common 4 cylinder Honda K24 to a Subaru EJ25

The Honda has 200 HP at 6800,  the Subaru has 165 HP at 6000 rpm (with .1 liter greater displacement).  The Honda is easily a 200K mile engine.

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PostWed Jul 24, 2019 9:08 pm 
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Subaru engines have had timing chains since 2013.

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PostWed Jul 24, 2019 11:07 pm 
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Plenty of other manufacturers used timing belts on their inline 4 cylinder engines.

my current '97 Accord has had it's timing belt replaced.

My old '89 Corolla had a timing belt which failed on me at 124K.  I never knew it had one that needed replacing until it quit.

Timing belts were/are common among many makes and they all need replacing somewhere in that 80K - 100K range.  Fortunately the one on that old Corolla was real easy to replace and I did it myself in a day.  I would NOT want to replace a Subaru timing belt.

My '84 Toyota truck has a timing chain, and it needs to be replaced.  The 22R/RE engines are also known for having head gasket issues around the 150K mark.

Stuff wears out.  Even timing chains don't always last forever.

That said, the Subaru 2.5L engine is notorious for head gasket issues.  Subaru has been saying the problem is fixed for many years, yet the problem keeps cropping up.   There is no way to know whether newer cars will have the problem 'til they get some real mileage on them.  Many of the newer subies now use a newer design 2.0L engine.  Hopefully it won't have that problem.

Older Subies with the 2.2L and 2.0L engines don't have that problem.

Complaining about the difficulty of rebuilding a Subaru engine seems strange.  You doing it yourself?  How many engines have you had to rebuild?  On a $ basis, Subaru engines don't seem to be a whole lot more than other makes to replace.

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