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MtnGoat
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Build it, fix it in 5, 10, 20. If there's no stable place, then use an unstable ones, just like before. Let's not let the perfect be the enemy of the good.
Diplomacy is the art of saying 'Nice doggie' until you can find a rock. - Will Rogers
Diplomacy is the art of saying 'Nice doggie' until you can find a rock. - Will Rogers
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Kim Brown
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Excellent idea. Tell it to Snohomish County and the funding sources.
Problem solved.
"..living on the east side of the Sierra world be ideal - except for harsher winters and the chance of apocalyptic fires burning the whole area."
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"..living on the east side of the Sierra world be ideal - except for harsher winters and the chance of apocalyptic fires burning the whole area."
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timberghost
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Well I sent a message to Snohomish county roads and the person in charge of the project and here was his reply:
Dear Sir:
The Index-Galena Road Milepost 6.4-6.9 project had received all of its permits and was preparing to go to advertisement for construction in the fall of 2018 for a 2019 start of construction. Someone appealed the Shoreline permits that were issued for the project to the Washington State Shorelines Hearings Board. The hearings were held in April 2019 and a decision on the appeal may be issued by the end of June. If no other appeals occur, the project could potentially be advertised for construction in Fall 2019 for a 2020 construction start.
Crilly R. Ritz | Senior Planner II
Snohomish County Public Works |Transportation and Environmental Services
3000 Rockefeller Avenue M/S 607
Everett, WA. 98201
Phone (425) 262-2476|FAX (425) 388-6449 |Email crilly.ritz@snoco.org
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Kim Brown
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Well, aren't you the smart one in the room!
"..living on the east side of the Sierra world be ideal - except for harsher winters and the chance of apocalyptic fires burning the whole area."
Bosterson, NWHiker's marketing expert
"..living on the east side of the Sierra world be ideal - except for harsher winters and the chance of apocalyptic fires burning the whole area."
Bosterson, NWHiker's marketing expert
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timberghost
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Not really I just like to keep informed
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Bedivere
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| timberghost wrote: | | If no other appeals occur, the project could potentially be advertised for construction in Fall 2019 for a 2020 construction start. |
Hmm. Is there any kind of limit to the appeals? What's to stop there being endless appeals?
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timberghost
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That's a good question. I would guess it to believe with this individual it to be when his hand gets tired from writing.
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JVesquire
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It's an appeal of a permit, so this is the only one allowed. Unless there's something wrong with the project, the appeal is the only one but it could take time.
Lider isn't necessarily wrong. $26 million for a section of road that is used to reduce travel times by 15 to 20 minutes is a lot of money.
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Schroder
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| JVesquire wrote: | | a section of road that is used to reduce travel times by 15 to 20 minutes |
Where do you get that from? Are you familiar at all with this road?
The only alternate route to the area this serves is a 30 mile detour over a logging road, 12 miles of which is a single-lane gravel road over a 2600 ft pass that's closed in the winter. People had to abandon their homes after this washed out.
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Kim Brown
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I agree it’s over-built.
It’s solely not to reduce travel times just for the hell of it.
It’s for more reasonable access to campgrounds (San Juan, Troublesome) and trail heads by users, including equestrians, law enforcement, and emergency vehicles for instance. Those hairpin turns leading down to Road 63 aren’t cool for horse trailers.
"..living on the east side of the Sierra world be ideal - except for harsher winters and the chance of apocalyptic fires burning the whole area."
Bosterson, NWHiker's marketing expert
"..living on the east side of the Sierra world be ideal - except for harsher winters and the chance of apocalyptic fires burning the whole area."
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MtnGoat
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The 26 million dollar price tag is indicative of out of control processes.
Diplomacy is the art of saying 'Nice doggie' until you can find a rock. - Will Rogers
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Schroder
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| MtnGoat wrote: | | The 26 million dollar price tag is indicative of out of control processes. |
No, it reflects current construction costs.
WSDOT is building a single-lane roundabout on a rural highway, in an existing intersection, near me for $5 million. It's what things cost these days.
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Kim Brown
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It’s more than simply road construction. While I think some of it was over-done (I don't recall exactly what was overdone; I haven't seen it in a few years, but that was my reaction when I did), there was a lot of environmental upgrade and better design. Snohomish County has more stringent forest road construction guidelines than many other counties in Washington state, and for good reason.
"..living on the east side of the Sierra world be ideal - except for harsher winters and the chance of apocalyptic fires burning the whole area."
Bosterson, NWHiker's marketing expert
"..living on the east side of the Sierra world be ideal - except for harsher winters and the chance of apocalyptic fires burning the whole area."
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JVesquire
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That's what the article said.
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Kim Brown
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| JVesquire wrote: | | That's what the article said. |
Environmental design isn't sexy, but getting to trail heads is, so yeah, the article certainly discusses it (note they emphasized EMS vehicles). The design Open House meetings held over the years emphasized innovative environmental design, I guess because the majority of those who actually attend those do care about design. And Snohomish County pulled out all the stops for this road. Perhaps here and there they could have done without something in the design - I think the issue I had with this road design is that it's too wide, but I might be getting that mixed up with another repair, so I reserve the right to be wrong about what I think. 
And re: the article in the HeraldNet - good lord, the last sentence is a silly thing to put in there, isn't it. It's a trip report from JANUARY advising hikers the road is impassible to Blanca Lake, as if snow in January prohibiting access to Blanca Lake is testament to the necessity for the repair. 
"..living on the east side of the Sierra world be ideal - except for harsher winters and the chance of apocalyptic fires burning the whole area."
Bosterson, NWHiker's marketing expert
"..living on the east side of the Sierra world be ideal - except for harsher winters and the chance of apocalyptic fires burning the whole area."
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