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Gil
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PostTue Oct 13, 2009 6:40 pm  Boy's dangerous camping utensil  Reply to topic Reply with quote

I can understand this kind of devotion to a knife/fork/spoon. Just glad that cooler heads prevailed.

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PostTue Oct 13, 2009 6:55 pm   Reply to topic Reply with quote

Wait, it was just a spoon, fork, and (table) knife that unfolded like a pocket knife?  Are you kidding me?  Wow.  That's just nuts.

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PostTue Oct 13, 2009 7:03 pm   Reply to topic Reply with quote

I hate the phrase Zero Tolerance.  It sucks.  I'd hand out sporks to all the kids before they went into the school. Psst, hey kid, want a spork? biggrin.gif

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PostTue Oct 13, 2009 7:10 pm   Reply to topic Reply with quote

I posted this in the saloon already and was indignant also. But hen I saw the too and it has about a 3-4" blade same as a swiss army knife. I detest Zero tolerance also but if pocket knives are banned this should be considered a knife.

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PostTue Oct 13, 2009 7:21 pm   Reply to topic Reply with quote

When I was a kid, I invariably carried a pocket knife, through at least 6th grade to my senior year in high school.

I got a better knife to carry at college.

In shop, the teacher always knew he could count on me to have a pocket knife for cutting things.  He never said a word, other than to ask me to borrow it from time to time.

We had a rifle team in junior high and senior high.

Nobody around me ever got cut or shot.

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PostTue Oct 13, 2009 7:27 pm   Reply to topic Reply with quote

We used to play mumbley peg and strech at recess in elementary school also but now I have to go through the car with a fine tooth comb now. A girl got an "emergency expulsion" because a security officer saw an empty beer can in the back of her car huh.gif and it took a major letter writing campign to get her reinstated. huh.gif

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PostTue Oct 13, 2009 7:32 pm   Reply to topic Reply with quote

Things really have changed since I was in school.  frown.gif  Carrying a pocket knife wasn't unusual at all.  The kid's utensil set would have been a really cool show-and-tell exhibit.

I just find the whole thing kinda sad.

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PostTue Oct 13, 2009 8:12 pm   Reply to topic Reply with quote

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This stuff is complete crap.  It's high time that school administrators grow a spine and start evaluating these types of scenarios intelligently so they can decide what action is appropriate.  Based on the information in this story, simply confiscating the 'tool' and a verbal explanation of why it is inappropriate would have been sufficient to turn this into a good learning experience for the child.  It is absolutely shameful that the leadership in this school district didn't have the intelligence or the fortitude to do the right thing here.  Are these the type of people that I would want educating my (future) kids?  Hell no.  This is an example of the blind leading the blind, but one of those parties (the administrators) should have known better.

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This story does present some quite compelling ethical issues in terms of how we should be educating our youth.  I don't claim to have any excellent answers other than to make the profession of teaching a desirable profession to pursue by weeding out incompetent teachers and paying teachers a competitive salary.  Also, provide amnesty from litigation to administrators who have the responsibility to make difficult judgment calls relating to discipline and the academic progress of the students.  Essentially, I am an advocate of common sense.  It seems to be lacking in a lot of areas these days.

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PostTue Oct 13, 2009 8:20 pm   Reply to topic Reply with quote

I find the lack of discretion, judgement, and sanity on the part of the adults involved completely disturbing. I read their rationale, but, Jesus, there's got to be some measure of logic applied to disciplinary decisions.

Policy established in a vacuum just makes the administration look brain dead and foolish.

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PostTue Oct 13, 2009 9:19 pm   Reply to topic Reply with quote

IMHO opinion it is just another example of our country rapidly becoming "a police state". Zero tolerance, mandatory vaccinations, ect. I strongly agree that common sense is sorely lacking. One said the administrators should use common sense and make informed decisions in each individual situation.

The problem with that is their hands are tied by "the zero tolerance rule", among other things.

Now IF this child had been EDUCATED about this rule this would have likely been avoided. One statement that makes me angry is "ignorance of the law is no excuse".

Then EDUCATE people! With the myriad of laws and rules and new ones passed all the time, is that not a good idea?................Just my .02

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PostTue Oct 13, 2009 9:26 pm   Reply to topic Reply with quote

Logic, reasoning and common sense are fast dying concepts in this world.  shakehead.gif

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PostTue Oct 13, 2009 9:31 pm   Reply to topic Reply with quote

So the overriding sentiment here is its ok for a kid to bring a knife to school ... as long as it has a fork and spoon, too?  hmmm.gif

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PostTue Oct 13, 2009 9:32 pm   Reply to topic Reply with quote

Wow.  I had something like that as a kid.  Looks like poor Zach got to learn first had that rigid dumb-asses with little common sense ruin the world.
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PostTue Oct 13, 2009 9:41 pm   Reply to topic Reply with quote

Toonces wrote:
So the overriding sentiment here is its ok for a kid to bring a knife to school ... as long as it has a fork and spoon, too?   hmmm.gif

20 years ago, it was totaly normal for a kid to bring a pocket knife to school.  I carried a pocket knife on a daily basis.  I still do.  It's a handy tool.

I do realize the world changes.  But, we're not talking about a switchblade, and we're not talking about a kid bent on hurting anybody.

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PostTue Oct 13, 2009 9:46 pm   Reply to topic Reply with quote

It is like many things in this world, when people make bad choices it makes life more difficult for those who make good choices.

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