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RokIzGud Cozza Frenzy
Joined: 08 Feb 2010 Posts: 1049 | TRs | Pics
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RokIzGud
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Sun Mar 27, 2011 12:56 pm
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Hey thanks a lot TC for taking the time to post that. Definitely some great info there. Thank you and everyone else again for posting!
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pimaCanyon Member
Joined: 13 Jul 2007 Posts: 1304 | TRs | Pics Location: at the bottom of the map |
It basically comes down to this:
If you remove all (or most of the water from a food), you get 9 calories per gram of fat versus 4 cal per gram of protein or carb.
So the high fat food will give you more than twice the calories for the same amount of weight.
Choices of food with most/all of water removed are almost endless, from nuts and nut butters (or just oils like olive oil) and cheese on the high fat end of the spectrum to crackers and dry cereals on the carb end. Pasta is all carb (with a bit of protein), but adding olive oil bumps up the fat content of the finished dish.
It's never too late to have a happy childhood
It's never too late to have a happy childhood
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Dayhike Mike Bad MFKer
Joined: 02 Mar 2003 Posts: 10958 | TRs | Pics Location: Going to Tukwila |
I usually bring these:
Energy bar
Average one or two per day. Mmm.
"There is only one basic human right, the right to do as you damn well please. And with it comes the only basic human duty, the duty to take the consequences." -P.J. O'Rourke
"Ignorance is natural. Stupidity takes commitment." -Solomon Short
"There is only one basic human right, the right to do as you damn well please. And with it comes the only basic human duty, the duty to take the consequences." -P.J. O'Rourke
"Ignorance is natural. Stupidity takes commitment." -Solomon Short
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Token Civilian Member
Joined: 02 Sep 2010 Posts: 590 | TRs | Pics
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A good way to make that stick of butter a BIT more palatable, if you can cook, would be to brown the butter, then toss pasta in it and shave some Parmesan cheese over it. Mmmmm.......
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sarbar Living The Dream
Joined: 28 Jan 2002 Posts: 8055 | TRs | Pics Location: Freeland, Wa |
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sarbar
Living The Dream
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Tue Mar 29, 2011 1:11 pm
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Roll it in brown sugar and gnaw on it
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grannyhiker Member
Joined: 29 Jul 2006 Posts: 3519 | TRs | Pics Location: Gateway to the Columbia Gorge |
Hard sauce! Cream together butter, brown sugar, a little rum or brandy. I've always thought of it as a way to make the Christmas fruitcake more edible: steam the fruitcake and dump a glob of hard sauce (which melts) on top. The more rum or brandy, the more edible!
May your trails be crooked, winding, lonesome, dangerous, leading to the most amazing view.--E.Abbey
May your trails be crooked, winding, lonesome, dangerous, leading to the most amazing view.--E.Abbey
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sarbar Living The Dream
Joined: 28 Jan 2002 Posts: 8055 | TRs | Pics Location: Freeland, Wa |
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sarbar
Living The Dream
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Tue Mar 29, 2011 1:19 pm
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Booze, sugar and fat - a perfect food combo
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Spotly Member
Joined: 06 Jan 2004 Posts: 3723 | TRs | Pics Location: Spokane Valley |
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Wed Mar 30, 2011 7:49 am
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BigSteve wrote: | olive oil = lots of dense calories, the good kind of fat, easy to carry and super long shelf life |
Someone mentioned olive oil in another thread last year as well. We've started bringing a small bottle on each trip and it makes a difference in taste and texture plus provides some good calories.
Dayhike Mike wrote: | I usually bring these:
Energy bar
Average one or two per day. Mmm. |
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Burke M over-caffeinated
Joined: 09 Sep 2010 Posts: 699 | TRs | Pics Location: Seattle |
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Burke M
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Wed Mar 30, 2011 3:09 pm
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sarbar Living The Dream
Joined: 28 Jan 2002 Posts: 8055 | TRs | Pics Location: Freeland, Wa |
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sarbar
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Wed Mar 30, 2011 3:41 pm
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Babies love it
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Dayhike Mike Bad MFKer
Joined: 02 Mar 2003 Posts: 10958 | TRs | Pics Location: Going to Tukwila |
How about pemmican bars? Not the honey, oats, and almonds glorified granola bars kind, but the 60% fat, 40% protein kind. That's gotta be close to maxing out the calories per ounce, right?
"There is only one basic human right, the right to do as you damn well please. And with it comes the only basic human duty, the duty to take the consequences." -P.J. O'Rourke
"Ignorance is natural. Stupidity takes commitment." -Solomon Short
"There is only one basic human right, the right to do as you damn well please. And with it comes the only basic human duty, the duty to take the consequences." -P.J. O'Rourke
"Ignorance is natural. Stupidity takes commitment." -Solomon Short
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Dane Other
Joined: 14 Mar 2006 Posts: 2466 | TRs | Pics Location: Seattle |
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Dane
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Sat Apr 02, 2011 1:18 pm
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I've been looking at cal/oz of various foods suitable for hiking. Here's what I've got so far:
255 - almond oil
251 - olive oil
250 - vegetable oil
196 - freeze dried sausage crumbles
189 - dried egg yolk
185 - walnuts
180 - almond butter
170 - almonds
167 - peanut butter
166 - peanuts
156 - nutella
156 - cashews
152 - freeze dried ground beef
147 - bumble bar
145 - peanut m&ms
140 - whole fat powdered milk
130 - pepperoni
120 - pro bar
116 - beef jerky
114 - freeze dried chicken
113 - cheddar cheese
110 - bonk breaker
108 - dried egg white
100 - salami
100 - clif bar
100 - clif shot gel
100 - clif shot bloks
95 - summer sausage
95 - gu energy gel
90 - gu chomps
90 - salmon jerky
33- smoked salmon
30 - tuna
A 1oz bumble bar with 1oz almond butter on it and 1oz walnuts on top gives you 513cal for 3oz, or 171 cal/oz. Dried egg yolk and olive oil with really super charge your dinner. And while fish is healthy and delicious, it's actually very low on calorie density.
I wonder what the consequences of eating food really high in fat and low in carbs for a few weeks would be? I figure your body would be able to adjust to metabolizing fat, though it might slow your glycogen replacement. I'd probably want to do an Atkins-style diet for a week before starting a long hike on this food to prime my system for it.
Without judgement what would we do? We would be forced to look at ourselves...
-Death
Without judgement what would we do? We would be forced to look at ourselves...
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dicentra Plant Geek
Joined: 04 May 2003 Posts: 1127 | TRs | Pics Location: Der Town |
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dicentra
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Mon Apr 04, 2011 3:51 pm
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Dane, would you mind me stealing your list for an upcoming talk I have?
I still need to send you that spreadsheet!
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Token Civilian Member
Joined: 02 Sep 2010 Posts: 590 | TRs | Pics
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Great list Dane. How about a couple other thru hiker staples - Idahoian brand instant mashed potatoes and Lipton / Knorr Rice and Pasta sides.
One thing to consider for thru hiking or long stretches between resupply: One need not limit themselves to ONLY super high calorie density foods nor only high protein / high fat. High calorie density foods are great though for bringing up the average calorie density of ones food load.
On the thru hike, I used bagels for my salami & cheese sandwich bread. I like 'em better than tortillas (although there was a lot of folks who smeared PB or nutella on a tortilla and sprinkled some cheese on). I also know they're lower calorie density than say cashews or olive oil. But, that's a trade off I was willing to make to have a more palatable (for me) and balanced diet on the trail.
Tuna (or in my case, small pop top cans of chicken) were a good choice to insure I was getting complete protein. Low calorie density? You bet. Cheap (compared to freeze dried) and available at any medium grocery store on the trail - a big plus. A shot of olive oil mixed into the dinner however brought it back up to a better average.
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Gray Lazy Hiker
Joined: 25 Aug 2006 Posts: 1059 | TRs | Pics Location: Seattle, WA |
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Gray
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Fri Apr 22, 2011 2:45 pm
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Token Civilian wrote: | How about a couple other thru hiker staples - Idahoian brand instant mashed potatoes and Lipton / Knorr Rice and Pasta sides. |
The potatoes are one thing I remember from when I was doing research for a planned PCT thru-hike. Instant potatoes are light, easy to cook, tasty... and basically useless as calories.
~65 calories/oz. and honestly, they feel like less. I still use the, cause they are tasty, but it's basically just to bulk out a meal, so I feel a little more full.
I didn't realize that the fish had such a low calorie count. Again, won't stop me from using the foil packs cause they are so convenient and tasty, but I might switch to a pack each, instead of Ethel and I splitting one for a meal.
--Gray
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