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Backpacker Joe Blind Hiker
Joined: 16 Dec 2001 Posts: 23956 | TRs | Pics Location: Cle Elum |
Its not a rip off if you have a choice whether to buy it or not. Many people like simplistic answers to their questions! "How do I protect my tent?" Oh, there's a ground sheet, Ill buy that. Etc etc etc. Other people like to come up with things on their own.
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Daryl Big Shot Economist
Joined: 05 Dec 2008 Posts: 1817 | TRs | Pics
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Mon May 09, 2011 2:44 pm
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never used a footprint, never ripped a floor. other then using it with just the rainfly on some tents, I see no reason for it either.
If you do rip the floor, duct tape works great!
what I wonder, is it any easier to wash a footprint then a tent? Why do people use it to keep the tent clean? I never understood that.
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DIYSteve seeking hygge
Joined: 06 Mar 2007 Posts: 12655 | TRs | Pics Location: here now |
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Mon May 09, 2011 3:52 pm
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KillerCharlie wrote: | has anyone gotten their footprint ripped and was happy it wasn't their tent? |
Yes, several times. It's sorta like the protection that a double hulled vessel provides. Silnylon floors are prone to abrasion, so I usually take a Tyvek ground cloth or use a space blanket. I made one for my 2R from a spare piece of silnylon. But not always -- there's a case to be made for not taking a ground cloth.
As others say, expensive tent footprints are a ripoff. +1 to Allison's suggestion to use Tyvek. You can get Tyvek from a construction site or cheap from Six Moons Designs
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Criminal Member
Joined: 25 Mar 2004 Posts: 869 | TRs | Pics Location: Cloud hidden, whereabouts unknown. |
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Mon May 09, 2011 5:08 pm
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Floors in tents are lighter because people shop by the weight. If tent A weighs 2.5 pounds and tent B weighs 2.8 pounds, tent A sells more.
I have a footprint for my BA Fly Creek UL1, but I've really wanted a piece of Tyvek for one reason, to extend into the vestibule area so I have some place clean(er) to take off my boots.
Thanks for the links!
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grannyhiker Member
Joined: 29 Jul 2006 Posts: 3519 | TRs | Pics Location: Gateway to the Columbia Gorge |
I haven't used anything under any tent for at least 10 years and have had no problems. That was true even with the extra-light silnylon floor I had on one tent (Six Moon Designs Lunar Solo). Before that I used a piece of plastic (painters drop cloth) cut about 2" smaller than the tent on each side. That makes a nice disposable "footprint" that you usually have to toss after every trip. For a more durable ground cloth, try polycro (same stuff used in plastic storm window kits) which lasts at least a season.
It's a good idea to remove sticks, pine cones and stones from the ground where your tent will be, and to keep your dog's claws clipped. That will do far more to preserve your tent floor than any footprint.
IMHO, nylon footprints are a sales gimmick. They are heavy, expensive and certainly unnecessary! If you want to use a tarp, buy a tarp which has far more pitching options.
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texasbb Misplaced Texan
Joined: 30 Mar 2009 Posts: 1153 | TRs | Pics Location: Tri-Cities, WA |
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Mon May 09, 2011 5:54 pm
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Daryl wrote: | what I wonder, is it any easier to wash a footprint then a tent? Why do people use it to keep the tent clean? I never understood that. |
Yes, it's easier to wash (or toss) a footprint. But for me it has less to do with washing than with simple convenience on the trail. It's easier to fold a dirty groundsheet in on itself than to roll/fold a dirty tent so as not to foul other gear. And it's nice to have the clean sheet to put my knees down on while I roll up the tent. Not a big deal either way.
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Obi Tony Kenobi Waterfall Crazy!
Joined: 25 Jun 2007 Posts: 1899 | TRs | Pics Location: Marysville, WA |
So is Tyvek available at hardware stores like Home Depot, or online like those links some of you put up??
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DIYSteve seeking hygge
Joined: 06 Mar 2007 Posts: 12655 | TRs | Pics Location: here now |
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Mon May 09, 2011 6:14 pm
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Tyvek is available in big quantities at Home Depot, etc. If you pass a construction site, somebody might give you a piece. I assume that 6MD is buying a roll of Tyvek and then cutting it up.
Grannyhiker wrote: | It's a good idea to remove sticks, pine cones and stones from the ground where your tent will be. . . |
If my campsites will be limited to places with sticks and pine cones, I'll leave the ground cloth at home. If I expect to camp on rock, I'll take a ground cloth.
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mike220 Slug's taxi service
Joined: 05 Sep 2009 Posts: 181 | TRs | Pics Location: Shoreline, WA |
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Mon May 09, 2011 6:29 pm
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I have a roll of the 3' wide stuff laying around from a home improvement project.
If you want a piece of it PM me and you can have what you want.
Note: it isn't the light "kite weight stuff", it is regular house rap.
Mike
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half fast member
Joined: 21 Mar 2010 Posts: 1392 | TRs | Pics Location: Living the dream in my 5th Wheel |
I was given some Tyvek from a construction site. I just cut to fit my tent. It is lightweight, rolls up nicely and even if it is not necessary, I feel better having it.
I do like the idea of a space blanket... I might look into that if and when my Tyvek needs to be replaced.
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Allison Feckless Swooner
Joined: 17 Dec 2001 Posts: 12287 | TRs | Pics Location: putting on my Nikes before the comet comes |
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Mon May 09, 2011 8:34 pm
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The kite Tyvek is a lot lighter than housewrap.
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Layback Cascades Expatriate
Joined: 16 Mar 2007 Posts: 5712 | TRs | Pics Location: Back East |
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Mon May 09, 2011 8:36 pm
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dicey wrote: | Tent footprints=rip off. I've never bought/used one. If the ground is rocky, I just slide my ridgerest under the tent in my sleeping spot. |
+1. It adds extra, unnecessary weight also.
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moonspots Happy Curmudgeon
Joined: 03 Feb 2007 Posts: 2456 | TRs | Pics Location: North Dakota |
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Mon May 09, 2011 9:19 pm
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Obi Tony Kenobi wrote: | Then I came across gofastlite.com/ and they sell footprints made out of Tyvek. It cost $28.95 and that is a big piece of chunk cheaper.
Have any of you heard of them? Any opinions on gofastlite.com? |
I just wrote to them asking about a particular tent footprint, and asked if they do the work right there in Coos Bay. But, by chance, does anyone here know?
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Yeti Truly Abominable
Joined: 07 May 2010 Posts: 256 | TRs | Pics Location: Issaquah |
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Yeti
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Tue May 10, 2011 9:14 pm
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If you still want a factory Copper Spur UL footprint...they have one over at geartrade.com for 40% off http://www.geartrade.com/browse/106/93/176/item/191188 -
BTW I always use something under my tent. Is it just me, or does it seem that tyvek can collect a lot of dirt and debris which is somewhat difficult to shake off?
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DaleW Member
Joined: 13 Sep 2009 Posts: 407 | TRs | Pics
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DaleW
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Tue May 10, 2011 9:23 pm
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You can buy Tyvek by the foot on eBay. The house wrap is heavier and noisy-- washing helps.
If you go to Home Depot, you can buy the large Frost King window insulation film kit for about $6 and it will make several footprints. Each will weigh about 1.5oz. It is the same thing as polycro--- heat shrink plastic wrap. It is tough and light. It makes a great ground cloth for tarp tents too.
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