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kbatku
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contour5
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Fri Feb 19, 2016 11:54 pm |
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It would really be a shame to lose this trail. We almost lost it forever, last year, as a result of dirty tricks in the state legislature.
| Quote: | | Republican State Rep. Joe Schmick says the 250-mile trail is infrequently used, attracts crime and needs improvements. Schmick and GOP Rep. Mary Dye attempted to shut down a 130-mile portion of it by inserting a last-minute provision into the state's capital budget. |
Shmick and Dye tried to have the unimproved 130 mile section of trail turned over to the adjacent landowners through legislation that was basically secret. No public oversight, no discussion- just straight-up theft of public land.
I'd really like to see this project completed, with lots of improvements to the unfinished section. The western half is already an awesome bike ride. I'd like to ride the full trail some day.
26inchslicks has a really nice trip report of the full ride on his blog
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treeswarper
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treeswarper
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Sat Feb 20, 2016 8:59 am |
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It would be nice to connect it to the Idaho System--Hiawatha Trail.
What's especially fun about sock puppets is that you can make each one unique and individual, so that they each have special characters. And they don't have to be human––animals and aliens are great possibilities
What's especially fun about sock puppets is that you can make each one unique and individual, so that they each have special characters. And they don't have to be human––animals and aliens are great possibilities
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Snowbrushy
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| treeswarper wrote: | | It would be nice to connect it to the Idaho System--Hiawatha Trail. |
Here is the old rail line. There is an iron bridge crossing the Columbia River around Crab Creek. It is closed. The growing bike and horse use population of the region should be taken into account in making any decisions. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicago,_Milwaukee,_St._Paul_and_Pacific_Railroad
Oh Pilot of the storm who leaves no trace Like thoughts inside a dream Heed the path that led me to that place Yellow desert stream.
Oh Pilot of the storm who leaves no trace Like thoughts inside a dream Heed the path that led me to that place Yellow desert stream.
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Brucester
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The rail trails are a good way to 'escape Seattle and explore other parts of Washington!
It's a shame trestle's would have to be detoured for bikes, feet or hooves.
I'd imagine locals would be out using these trails, walking their dogs and just enjoying the fresh air!
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NacMacFeegle
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Developing this trail should be a priority. The region could definitely use this huge recreational resource. I don't think they should require permits to travel on it.
It really was the height of dirty politics when Shmick and Dye tried to destroy a large portion of the trail by giving it away.
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treeswarper
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Ummmm, some of the locals are out in the fresh air all day and are tired. So are their dogs, who are lucky dogs and get to run around unleashed and chase things and dig.
I was one of the few who rode their bike on the railroad grade and through the tunnel, in Palisades and up Douglas Cr. That right of way reverted back to the adjacent land owners. I rode it right after they'd pulled out the rails and ties and it was so darn easy to ride up hill on. That would have made a good trail but it was torn up before such things came into the minds of folks.
I'd walked it in the past to pack in supplies and mail to my folks, during a flood. Those old grades come in handy sometimes. I think it is now fenced and signed off.
You folks have to behave yourselves and not be the stereotypical Seattle People. Maybe wear something other than lycra? 
What's especially fun about sock puppets is that you can make each one unique and individual, so that they each have special characters. And they don't have to be human––animals and aliens are great possibilities
What's especially fun about sock puppets is that you can make each one unique and individual, so that they each have special characters. And they don't have to be human––animals and aliens are great possibilities
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Snowbrushy
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| treeswarper wrote: | | their dogs, who are lucky dogs and get to run around unleashed and chase things |
Old Overlander talk from those who didn't wear their bonnets in the blazing desert sun. The sound of the Promised Land was accompanied by the sound of gunfire killing most remaining wildlife and many Native Americans along the trail. That's progress. Their lucky unleashed dogs finished off the leftovers.
Oh Pilot of the storm who leaves no trace Like thoughts inside a dream Heed the path that led me to that place Yellow desert stream.
Oh Pilot of the storm who leaves no trace Like thoughts inside a dream Heed the path that led me to that place Yellow desert stream.
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| Snowbrushy wrote: | | treeswarper wrote: | | their dogs, who are lucky dogs and get to run around unleashed and chase things |
Old Overlander talk from those who didn't wear their bonnets in the blazing desert sun. The sound of the Promised Land was accompanied by the sound of gunfire killing most remaining wildlife and many Native Americans along the trail. That's progress. Their lucky unleashed dogs finished off the leftovers. |
Ummm, I dunno what that has to do with now. Farm and Ranch dogs have jobs. They go with their people to work, dig up and eat gophers, alert their people of snakes, help with moving cows or other critters, bark when people drive up, and provide company. They are the luckiest of dogs and have an interesting time. They need no dog park.
Our dogs had a distinct "snake bark".
Reading the blog about bicycling the trail has inspired me to maybe get out my bike today if the weather is not too nahsty.
What's especially fun about sock puppets is that you can make each one unique and individual, so that they each have special characters. And they don't have to be human––animals and aliens are great possibilities
What's especially fun about sock puppets is that you can make each one unique and individual, so that they each have special characters. And they don't have to be human––animals and aliens are great possibilities
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Snowbrushy
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| treeswarper wrote: | | They need no dog park. |
The world is your oyster. Except the National Parks. The dogs don't need those parks, and visa-versa.
Oh Pilot of the storm who leaves no trace Like thoughts inside a dream Heed the path that led me to that place Yellow desert stream.
Oh Pilot of the storm who leaves no trace Like thoughts inside a dream Heed the path that led me to that place Yellow desert stream.
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DigitalJanitor
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Too funny... I have ridden and camped w/ Mr.29inchslicks, and I love his writing. 
Here's a brilliant video on the trail done by some of our mutual bike friends this October. They used a high end drone which does an amazing job of capturing the vast spaces out east. They also crashed on our floor their first night after riding over the pass in a raging rainstorm, lol.
If anyone decides to ride it, just be aware that Crab Creek is reported as beautiful but utterly infested w/ goathead thorns. Also water supply can be dodgy. And it's probably better to plan heading east, as the prevailing wind will be from the west... doesn't sound like much of an issue until you've dealt with it.
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contour5
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Really nice video; thanks for adding the link.
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NacMacFeegle
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 an excellent video that deserves more than the scant 500 views it has so far.
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contour5
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A little more info for those interested:
From savethejohnwaynetrail.com: | Quote: | | In a recent Colfax Gazette article State Rep. Joe Schmick has stated he will abandon his efforts to close the John Wayne Trail! |
However, | Quote: | | Legislative action is required to make many of the improvements the trail needs. In particular the removal of the special permit requirements for hikers and bikers, and the sharing of their identities to property owners.
No other park or trail in the entire state of Washington has such a special permit requirement like that which is forced upon the users of the John Wayne Trail. This unique burdensome process strongly discourages the public’s use of the trail and can only be removed by an act of the legislature.
Today if you want to take a walk in this public park, you must first search through a byzantine series of web pages to find the address of the one person you may send an email request to for a permit application. This contact information is not even posted on the many signs along the trail that ask you to remove yourself if you are not a current permit holder. |
tekoatrailandtrestle have been particularly active in the effort to save and improve the eastern part of the John Wayne Pioneer Trail. Their Facebook page is an excellent source of information for anyone interested in supporting the trail or planning a trip. They've started a gofundme campaign to collect money for the project.
For trip planning this page is an excellent resource with lots of maps and useful links...
| Quote: | | Things you’ll want to get ready early:
• Permits: You need 2 two permits. One for the DNR owned section from Beverly to Lind and one from State Parks from Lind to Tekoa. The entire west side 110miles to the Columbia does not require a permit. You can date them for up to a year even if you’ll be on the trail for one day. There is no fee.
• Contact Mike Williams at the DNR for your DNR permits from Beverly to Lind. In this permit pack he’ll send you four maps that have the officially recognized reroutes on them and the code to the couple of locked gates. All you do is fill it out, take a pic to email back to him and you’re done. No cost.
Mike Williams/DNR
Recreation Specialist
SE Region Department of Natural Resources (DNR)
W: 509.925.0973
C: 509.856.6579
michael.williams@dnr.wa.gov
• Contact Clara at Parks for the second set of permits: She will also send out gate codes and an easy to fill out form.
Clara Dickinson-McQuary
Program Specialist 2
Blue Mountain Area
Main: (509) 337-6457
cell: (509) 386-0876
clara.dickinson-mcquary@parks.wa.gov |
More news and info at Friends of the John Wayne Pioneer Trail.
An interesting series of viewpoints pro and con:
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treeswarper
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treeswarper
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I wish we could rename the trail.
John Wayne was an actor. He was not heroic, or special, but merely a pretender--actor.
Oh well. We're stuck with it.
I should probably go do my own research, but I'm feelin' lazy. What kind of bike tires repel goat head thorns? Is there such a thing? I got two flat tires from them just riding around Susanville, CA.
Looks like I will never ride the JW trail. Sounds like too much work and planning is needed. There's something just wrong with that, if it is truly a public trail.
What's especially fun about sock puppets is that you can make each one unique and individual, so that they each have special characters. And they don't have to be human––animals and aliens are great possibilities
What's especially fun about sock puppets is that you can make each one unique and individual, so that they each have special characters. And they don't have to be human––animals and aliens are great possibilities
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