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Ingunn Hiking Viking
Joined: 01 Feb 2008 Posts: 1751 | TRs | Pics Location: Redmond |
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Sat Apr 13, 2013 2:34 pm
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tigermn Member
Joined: 10 Jul 2007 Posts: 9242 | TRs | Pics Location: There... |
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Sat Apr 13, 2013 2:38 pm
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Just looking at the pictures up on the pass it looks like a mess. I hope everyone is found and OK.
I don't feel so bad now about staying home.
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iron Member
Joined: 10 Aug 2008 Posts: 6391 | TRs | Pics Location: southeast kootenays |
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Sat Apr 13, 2013 5:29 pm
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we saw SAR at the exit 47 road around 4:00pm. lots of flashing lights. hoping for good news...
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tmatlack Member
Joined: 21 Aug 2007 Posts: 2854 | TRs | Pics
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Sat Apr 13, 2013 5:29 pm
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King 5 just said the Red Mtn party of 12 are ok. A single shoer seems to in stable condition after her dog alerted the big party. Tom
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DIYSteve seeking hygge
Joined: 06 Mar 2007 Posts: 12655 | TRs | Pics Location: here now |
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Sat Apr 13, 2013 6:31 pm
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Vibes to the victims, their friends and family.
We lift skied at the pass today. Big powder dump and windy, so loading is likely. We saw an ambulance on the Alpental road and news cams at Exit 47.
Be careful out there. If you stay below avy terrain, watch for tree well hazards.
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Magellan Brutally Handsome
Joined: 26 Jul 2006 Posts: 13116 | TRs | Pics Location: Inexorable descent |
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Sat Apr 13, 2013 9:33 pm
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I believe one is still missing on Granite Mt. Plans are being scaled way back for tomorrow.
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Backpacker Joe Blind Hiker
Joined: 16 Dec 2001 Posts: 23956 | TRs | Pics Location: Cle Elum |
God bless those missing and their families.
"If destruction be our lot we must ourselves be its author and finisher. As a nation of freemen we must live through all time or die by suicide."
— Abraham Lincoln
"If destruction be our lot we must ourselves be its author and finisher. As a nation of freemen we must live through all time or die by suicide."
— Abraham Lincoln
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KillerCharlie Member
Joined: 27 Oct 2007 Posts: 483 | TRs | Pics
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Some of my boealps pals - including coworkers and people ive climbed with before - were climbing in the commonwealth basin for an outing... pretty scary.
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wolffie Member
Joined: 14 Jul 2008 Posts: 2693 | TRs | Pics Location: Seattle |
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Sun Apr 14, 2013 12:17 am
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This is really frustrating, because presumably the Granite Mt. thing was in that gully, which might be the most notorious avalanche site in the state.
Considering the storm, I was surprised that the NWAC avalanche rose rated the danger only "considerable" between 3-7k'.
Sounds like it was an extremely close call for several people. One is missing.
Sounds like that dog was a real hero today.
[edit Monday: If NWAC listed "High" or "Extreme" all the time, people would think they're crying wolf, and ignore it.]
Some people have better things to do with their lives than walking the dog. Some don't.
Some people have better things to do with their lives than walking the dog. Some don't.
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moonspots Happy Curmudgeon
Joined: 03 Feb 2007 Posts: 2456 | TRs | Pics Location: North Dakota |
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Sun Apr 14, 2013 6:41 am
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Backpacker Joe wrote: | God bless those missing and their families. |
"Out, OUT you demons of Stupidity"! - St Dogbert, patron Saint of Technology
"Out, OUT you demons of Stupidity"! - St Dogbert, patron Saint of Technology
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oldwhiner Member
Joined: 17 Jun 2007 Posts: 279 | TRs | Pics Location: when not on a trail - S. Puget Sound |
There needs to be more avalanche education and more people taking it. It's so easy for people to buy the gear and go out. Unfortunately avalanche training isn't hanging on the rack next to the snow shoes and poles.
There are good classes, books and websites available. There are winter trail guide books that rate the avalanche potential of each trail in the book. Both groups could have made preventative decisions with a little more information. We are the ones responsible for taking the risk.
Most of the I-90 trails are on or at the bottom of steep avalanche slopes. Combine that terrain with piles of fresh snow on top of a warm, weakening snow pack and you have a recipe for avalanche.
My heart goes out to those involved in these tragedies. But both areas are notorious for spring avalanches.
Fluffy new powder is great to be in. We can play in it safely. Prevention and good judgement are the best safety tools we have. Safety first please - so I get to hike with you another day.
Dreaming - a wistful dilemma between hope and disappointment, perpetuated by occasional bouts of happiness.
Dreaming - a wistful dilemma between hope and disappointment, perpetuated by occasional bouts of happiness.
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Ingunn Hiking Viking
Joined: 01 Feb 2008 Posts: 1751 | TRs | Pics Location: Redmond |
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Sun Apr 14, 2013 9:23 am
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I just heard on the news that the hypothermic woman from Red Mountain died. This is awful.
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hbb Member
Joined: 06 Aug 2009 Posts: 402 | TRs | Pics
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Sun Apr 14, 2013 10:15 am
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wolffie wrote: | Considering the storm, I was surprised that the NWAC avalanche rose rated the danger only "considerable" between 3-7k'. |
"Considerable" danger is defined as follows:
Quote: | Dangerous avalanche conditions. Careful snowpack evaluation, cautious route-finding and conservative decision-making essential.
Natural avalanches possible; human- triggered avalanches likely. |
For the most part, "High" and "Extreme" differ from "Considerable" with respect to increased size and likelihood of natural avalanches. I don't see many reports of widespread natural avalanches yesterday, and most observed avalanches were relatively small.
Remember, even on a day with only "Considerable" danger, human-triggered avalanches are "likely," and the conditions are "dangerous."
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ergalthema Member
Joined: 13 Apr 2012 Posts: 93 | TRs | Pics Location: United States |
What is the best system to check for avalanche danger? Just the NWAC site and knowing what to look for?
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christensent Member
Joined: 05 Nov 2011 Posts: 658 | TRs | Pics
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hbb wrote: | Remember, even on a day with only "Considerable" danger, human-triggered avalanches are "likely," and the conditions are "dangerous." |
I feel like unfortunately, considerable is a rating that a lot of backcountry users treat as being less dangerous than it is. I wonder if the use of red for high is not the best idea since red is instinctively stop, and not red could be thought of as don't stop. I wonder if people would put more thought into the forecast if it were just a gradient of darknesses of a single color.
ergalthema wrote: | What is the best system to check for avalanche danger? Just the NWAC site and knowing what to look for? |
Pretty much, yes. You can also get some good user-posted information, especially on TAY. The bottom line is if you check the snow where you are, you're going to usually get the information you need. NWAC is convenient because it gives you information before you leave your house, and also does provide a more global perspective that you can't get from snowpits on a single slope. You've got to know what to look for though, even when NWAC says low hazard.
Learning mountaineering: 10% technical knowledge, 90% learning how to eat
Learning mountaineering: 10% technical knowledge, 90% learning how to eat
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