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Langdon Greene
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PostFri Apr 12, 2013 7:00 pm 
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For somewhere like the Olympics where the possible routes are many and varied and there are dozens of discrete camping designations in one rough area (like Solduc basin) it's challenging for even veterans of the process to provide adequate guidance in the alternates in printed form. It was easy over the phone.

Why couldn't they do phone appointments at least (this was de facto anyways, you usually got a callback from the WIC rather than live person the first time.)

True that.  Good points.

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PostMon Mar 07, 2016 5:33 pm 
Its bull crap, right? I would rather risk not having a permit and getting fined than submitting to the federal monopoly of nature of what we are all entitled to as human beings.

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PostTue Mar 08, 2016 12:16 am 
Man.  Whiners.  Maybe they could keep the phone reservations if they charged more money so they could afford someone to answer the phone.

This IS the federal government.  They have wars to start and walls to build, remember?

Glacier charges a similar fee.  All national parks do, and lots of people want to go there.  They have to manage it some how.

Ironically, I remember my parents freaking out over 5 dollar a night camp spots... the kind with bathrooms and showers and ranger talks and those cute little Jr ranger buttons back in the 80s.

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PostTue Mar 08, 2016 11:03 am 
NPS maintenance backlog is about 10x their annual budget -- radio spot this morning.
They're gonna have to turn the whole thing over to Disney.  NPS, Inc.

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PostTue Mar 08, 2016 1:31 pm 
Here's the current fee schedule:


Entrance Fees                          2014               2015               2016               2017

Vehicle
(7 days;all park entrances)           $15                $20              $25                no change

Motorcycle
(7 days;all park entrances)            $5                 $10                $15                 $20

Person
(7 days;all park entrances              $5                   $7                $10               no change

Annual Pass (good for one year from purchase date;good for pass holder and vehicle occupants at all park entrances)
                                                       $30                 $40               $50                no change


Campground Fees                   Current                  2015             2016               2017

                                                 $10-$18                $15-$22     no change         no change

Overnight Wilderness Use Permits

Registration Fee (per group)
                                                    $5                  discontinued     no change        no change

Nightly Fee (per person 16 and older only)

                                                     $2                    $5                    $5                        $7
Annual Wilderness Pass (per person;$15 for each additional household member)

                                                      $30                  $35                 $35                      $45

So, some hefty increases, but you can still backpack in the park all summer for $85.

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Is it because it's a National Park and funded differently from National Forests? 

Much higher levels of maintainance and  administration in the NPs. They're designed for carloads of obese tourists to roll up and have a swell time without getting too far from the vehicle.

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Its bull crap, right? I would rather risk not having a permit and getting fined than submitting to the federal monopoly of nature of what we are all entitled to as human beings.

Then fined is what you'll likely get. The "federal monopoly of nature" is by consensus. If you don't like the regulations, there are legal avenues for bringing about change. Just flaunting the rules will result in time wasted by park staff who have more important things to do. The NF is mostly free- why not simply go there instead if you find the NP fees too burdensome or morally repugnant/unconstitutional/an affront to the very concept of natural human entitlement?

I think the National Parks are still a pretty good deal.

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PostTue Mar 08, 2016 7:55 pm 
legendofmike wrote:
I would rather risk not having a permit and getting fined than submitting to the federal monopoly of nature of what we are all entitled to as human beings.

I do wish the majority of Americans agreed with Mike.  Congress instituted fees and can abolish them and fully fund our National Parks.  And National Forests.  And the legislature, our State Parks.

But most voters apparently don't...   frown.gif

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PostTue Mar 08, 2016 7:56 pm 
It's 2016.  We've got cars that can drive themselves, robots that can walk on their own, and have sent pictures back from Mars.  How do we not have the option of applying for a wilderness permit online?  ffs.

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PostThu Mar 10, 2016 10:08 am 
Quick question about the Annual Wilderness Pass - that covers all back country camping fees in ONP? But not campground fees, correct? And those are just per person, right?

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PostThu Mar 10, 2016 10:25 am 
I really wish we could just fully fund public lands so that we could abolish fees entirely. You'd no longer have to staff entry stations, or have rangers waste time checking passes, and you'd no longer have long lines of people waiting to get into parks.

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