| Previous :: Next Topic |
| Author |
Message |
Ringangleclaw
Member
Joined: 01 Sep 2010
Posts: 1559 | TRs | Pics
|
| Snowbrushy wrote: | | xman_reborn wrote: | | If Asshat#1 hadn't posted the pictures and locale, Asshat#2 would not have had an interest in stealing them. |
Many years ago, Underground Explorations themselves published the first pictures for general public consumption in book form and by leading a helicopter broadcast on local TV, replete with video photography of the area. The regional interest was born at that time. And everything since that time can be blamed on Pandora (Pandora's Box). They opened it. |
I think I have a handle on who the real asshat is on this thread
|
| Back to top |
  
|
|
Jake
Member
Joined: 13 Jun 2004
Posts: 257 | TRs | Pics
Location: monroe, Wa. |
|
Jake
Member
|
 Sat Jun 13, 2015 9:17 am |
|
|
You’re pushing the blame here snowbushy. We published the pictures in the book, the news did the television piece without showing any prominent landmarks that would give the location away, and at the request of the U. S. Forest Service we kept the location secret.
You broke the code of honor when you took advantage of someone who considered you a friend and let you copy the detailed report which you spread all over Hell’s half acre. The location is out because of your actions, not because of us.
The repulsive betrayal you did to Greg Cady is bad enough without trying to blame Northwest Underground Explorations for this.
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Snowbrushy
Member
Joined: 23 Jul 2003
Posts: 6670 | TRs | Pics
Location: South Sound |
That map has never gone anywhere but inside a safe deposit box. It was not spread anywhere, although I wanted it public so hikers wouldn't get lost trying to find the place. You can thank Tom for not allowing it's posting here. And hikers are still getting lost, no doubt.
Oh Pilot of the storm who leaves no trace Like thoughts inside a dream Heed the path that led me to that place Yellow desert stream.
Oh Pilot of the storm who leaves no trace Like thoughts inside a dream Heed the path that led me to that place Yellow desert stream.
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Jake
Member
Joined: 13 Jun 2004
Posts: 257 | TRs | Pics
Location: monroe, Wa. |
|
Jake
Member
|
Sat Jun 13, 2015 9:53 am |
|
|
I haven't heard of anyone getting lost up there, but Thanks Tom! Much appreciated.
And what you say is not true. I'd guess you have spilled it all to many people who Pm or E-mailed you off the site.
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Snowbrushy
Member
Joined: 23 Jul 2003
Posts: 6670 | TRs | Pics
Location: South Sound |
| Jake wrote: | | I'd guess you have spilled it all to many people who Pm or E-mailed you off the site. |
All. I have never been a part of Underground Explorations. It seems like they are a great mountain history group. My loyalties since childhood are to the responsible hiking community and things like The 10 essentials, and Be Prepared, etc.. A map is a big part of that, hence things like USGS, Green Trails maps, and Forest Service maps. On the other hand, I believe that Jake is more a part of a history community and his work is epic.
Jake, you've guessed wrong. Honestly, two folks contacted me long ago who were going to the mountain anyway and got very general location info. from me in the hope that they would travel safely. I no longer do that.
You yourself first must have given directions to a helicopter crew who broadcast it regionally. If there is Original Sin here it rests with you.
Oh Pilot of the storm who leaves no trace Like thoughts inside a dream Heed the path that led me to that place Yellow desert stream.
Oh Pilot of the storm who leaves no trace Like thoughts inside a dream Heed the path that led me to that place Yellow desert stream.
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Jake
Member
Joined: 13 Jun 2004
Posts: 257 | TRs | Pics
Location: monroe, Wa. |
|
Jake
Member
|
Sat Jun 13, 2015 1:27 pm |
|
|
The forest service provided the helicopter. Not us.
Everything was at their request and on their dime. We felt, and still do that the site needed protection from vandals and thieves and disclosed the location to the forest service along with a short report (that you conned Greg Cady out of).
When Jan Holenbeck the MBSNF archeologist at the time wanted to see the site, we took her in using the forest service provided chopper. At that time I gave Jan the finished report and inventory. Why some hikers would need you to provide them with a USGS or Green Trails map is beyond me, but if you say so...
Now that we've both had our say, can we move on and forget this fiasco?
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Snowbrushy
Member
Joined: 23 Jul 2003
Posts: 6670 | TRs | Pics
Location: South Sound |
| Jake wrote: | | Why some hikers would need you to provide them with a USGS or Green Trails map is beyond me |
The question is why not? I'm into full disclosure. What is wrong with a USGS map that shows the trail as, Pack Trail? It's not artifacts. Too heavy.
Oh Pilot of the storm who leaves no trace Like thoughts inside a dream Heed the path that led me to that place Yellow desert stream.
Oh Pilot of the storm who leaves no trace Like thoughts inside a dream Heed the path that led me to that place Yellow desert stream.
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Lookout Billerina
Member
Joined: 30 Sep 2014
Posts: 268 | TRs | Pics
|
It's baaaa-a-a-a-ack!!
Jan's name is spelled Hollenbeck.
It was "Jimbo"'s post of 9/18/2013 at 9:02 AM that sent me over the edge with rage. Tom and others had been trying to stem the REAL culprit for years. It's name is "Snowbrushy". I got that character's number immediately way back in 2010 or whenever the original string began. Anyone who can't even cope with the intricacies of an apostrophe is obviously inept in any case ("You can thank Tom for not allowing it's posting here.").
OK "Jimbo", if you want to post maps and pictures, why not? Apparently *real* concern for our so-called PNW History is a joke on this forum, so I helped everyone out.
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Snowbrushy
Member
Joined: 23 Jul 2003
Posts: 6670 | TRs | Pics
Location: South Sound |
| Lookout Billerina wrote: | | Tom and others had been trying to stem the REAL culprit for years. |
Oh.That was never mentioned to me. It sounds nicely passive aggressive to me. Not to worry my copy of the map is to be burned when I go, and I bow out of this. Be safe out there. 
Oh Pilot of the storm who leaves no trace Like thoughts inside a dream Heed the path that led me to that place Yellow desert stream.
Oh Pilot of the storm who leaves no trace Like thoughts inside a dream Heed the path that led me to that place Yellow desert stream.
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Jimbo
Member
Joined: 14 Feb 2005
Posts: 1558 | TRs | Pics
Location: Arlington |
|
Jimbo
Member
|
Sun Jun 14, 2015 5:07 pm |
|
|
Jimbo = Out Law..
Guns only have two enemies; rust and politicians
Guns only have two enemies; rust and politicians
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Ringangleclaw
Member
Joined: 01 Sep 2010
Posts: 1559 | TRs | Pics
|
| Jimbo wrote: | | Jimbo = Out Law.. |
1%er? Kind of like Sons of Anarchy?
|
| Back to top |
|
|
xman_reborn
Member
Joined: 27 May 2015
Posts: 129 | TRs | Pics
|
| Ringangleclaw wrote: | | Jimbo wrote: | | Jimbo = Out Law.. |
1%er? Kind of like Sons of Anarchy? |
don't go there
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Ringangleclaw
Member
Joined: 01 Sep 2010
Posts: 1559 | TRs | Pics
|
| xman_reborn wrote: | | Ringangleclaw wrote: | | Jimbo wrote: | | Jimbo = Out Law.. |
1%er? Kind of like Sons of Anarchy? |
don't go there |
Tell that to Gemma Teller
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Jimbo
Member
Joined: 14 Feb 2005
Posts: 1558 | TRs | Pics
Location: Arlington |
|
Jimbo
Member
|
Mon Jun 15, 2015 5:19 am |
|
|
And only 1 % have been there, you ? And the Bitch got was she deserved didn't she 
Guns only have two enemies; rust and politicians
Guns only have two enemies; rust and politicians
|
| Back to top |
|
|
|
|
