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How concerned are you about the spread of ebola? |
Very - this thing is going to get out of control |
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Somewhat - might spread, might not, will probably fizzle out |
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Not at all - completely overblown |
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iron Member
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Wed Oct 15, 2014 9:17 am
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i'm not feeling all that great about the current situation - which is way opposite of my normal M.O.
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joker seeker
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Wed Oct 15, 2014 9:45 am
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It's a scary disease. A few countries in Africa, countries with very inadequate medical systems, are being horrifically hammered. It's scary how easily things like this can spurt around the globe via air travel. However, it appears that this is a disease that can be much better contained via careful measures than airborne diseases such as the flu. The mind can reel with concerns about mutations, a simple hop to some animal host on our continent, perhaps it's not as straightforward as is thought to keep healthcare workers safe via careful containment strategies, etc. etc. But for now, it appears we have many other diseases to be even more concerned about here in WA. If we can't help those countries in Africa get this under control, though, it will both be even more awful there, and our risk will rise as well.
Hospitals in the US (and around the rest of the world) do need to get on the stick regarding training for how to handle cases.
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meandering Wa Member
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it is so viremic. If people working under tight bio-hazard conditions ( optimal) are getting exposure this is bad
news that a second nurse is spiking a fever is bad. news that she was allowed to fly is worse.
i foresee a total shut-down of people being allowed to travel outside the West Africa countries without going through a 1 month quarantine of some kind. Countries are going to start shutting their doors.
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Daryl Big Shot Economist
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Wed Oct 15, 2014 10:30 am
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I'm very concerned that the care takers were allowed to fly days after taking care of #1. That's just shocking.
originally they said it was less contagious than aids/hiv. If so, how did two care takers using "protocols" get it?
Either they grossly underestimated it or they are not on the ball.
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NacMacFeegle Member
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I'm not concerned. Ebola is a problem in Africa because of the poor living conditions. I doubt if it will spread very far in America given our far superior sanitation.
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iron Member
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Wed Oct 15, 2014 10:55 am
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NacMacFeegle wrote: | I doubt if it will spread very far in America given our far superior sanitation. |
unless all the medical professional that try to treat the infected people contract it, then treat others without knowing they, too, are infected. it sounds like the majority of hospital protocols for treating something like this is not adequate. even harborview, which has volunteered to take infected patients!!!, is not up to the level it needs to be to contain this.
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joker seeker
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Wed Oct 15, 2014 11:00 am
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Daryl wrote: | Either they grossly underestimated it or they are not on the ball. |
Or both. But in any case, my current reading is that it appears that "not on the ball" is likely a significant factor
Quote: | On Tuesday evening, a nurses’ union released a scathing statement that it said was composed by nurses at Presbyterian hospital. The statement told of “confusion and frequently changing policies and protocols,” of inadequate protection against contamination and spotty training.
“Were the protocols breached?” Deborah Burger, a president of the union, National Nurses United, asked while reading the statement. “The nurses say there were no protocols.”
Dr. Varga with Texas Health Resources said he would not comment on the nurses’ claims. But he defended the hospital’s handling of the Ebola cases, and its legacy in the city. “We’re a hospital that serves this community incredibly well and we have for nearly half a century,” Dr. Varga said. “We’re a hospital that may have done things different with the benefit of what we know today. But make no mistake: No one wants to get this right more than our hospital, the first to diagnose and treat this insidious disease.” |
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Malachai Constant Member
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It appeared the doctors were wearing full suits but the nurses were giving gowns and taped on gloves.
"You do not laugh when you look at the mountains, or when you look at the sea." Lafcadio Hearn
"You do not laugh when you look at the mountains, or when you look at the sea." Lafcadio Hearn
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Bedivere Why Do Witches Burn?
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Wed Oct 15, 2014 11:19 am
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Yes, I'm concerned. The fact that two nurses who treated the patient have contracted it, despite what I would imagine are stricter than normal decontamination procedures, is disturbing. Yes, I understand they weren't following all the right protocols for dealing with this disease, but the fact that such strict protocols are necessary is kind of scary. The infectiousness AND severity of this disease is very concerning. If it mutates and ends up being transmissible through the air, we're screwed.
I'm concerned that the government and CDC don't really seem to be up to speed on how to stop the spread in this country, let alone in Africa and/or aren't telling us the whole story. I'm concerned that they're concerned about the people who were on the same flight as this second nurse. If it's not transmissible until symptoms are present, what's to be concerned about?
I'd like to think our vastly superior (to West Africa) healthcare system in this country will be able to deal with it, but time will tell. Without shutting down all international travel it won't be possible to contain it to Africa and shutting down international travel isn't about to happen. And, even if it did, it would essentially be the rest of the world saying "good luck with that" to Africa.
OTOH - there's also a media frenzy surrounding this right now so there's going to be lots of pandering and fear mongering too. Keep calm and try to filter through the hype, if possible.
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RichP Member
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Wed Oct 15, 2014 11:53 am
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I'm concerned because I'll be traveling to Argentina soon where they are not prepared should it arrive there.
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contour5 Member
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Wed Oct 15, 2014 12:05 pm
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Quote: | Is Ebola the ISIS of biological agents? Is Ebola the Boko Haram of AIDS? Is Ebola the al-Shabaab of dengue fever? Some say Ebola is the Milosevic of West Nile virus. Others say Ebola is the Ku Klux Klan of paper cuts. |
What is Ebola?
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Malachai Constant Member
Joined: 13 Jan 2002 Posts: 16092 | TRs | Pics Location: Back Again Like A Bad Penny |
We have had friends in Ghana where there are no cases and they have sealed the borders from neighboring countries.
"You do not laugh when you look at the mountains, or when you look at the sea." Lafcadio Hearn
"You do not laugh when you look at the mountains, or when you look at the sea." Lafcadio Hearn
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Ski ><((((°>
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Wed Oct 15, 2014 12:08 pm
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we're all gonna die
"I shall wear white flannel trousers, and walk upon the beach.
I have heard the mermaids singing, each to each."
"I shall wear white flannel trousers, and walk upon the beach.
I have heard the mermaids singing, each to each."
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More Cowbell Warrior Princess
Joined: 01 Jul 2006 Posts: 5657 | TRs | Pics Location: Alive on Earth |
I received an email from someone who said the Parks Dept had an announcement that a case of Ebola was in King Country already but they were keeping it under wraps to avoid hysteria.
This could be bogus info or credible info.
One good bit of advice I've heard is to get a flu shot to avoid freaking out if you get a fever and it's just the flu.
“If you want to forget all your other troubles, wear too tight shoes.” - Unknown
“If you want to forget all your other troubles, wear too tight shoes.” - Unknown
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