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PostSat Mar 21, 2015 1:35 pm 
For years I thought Subaru was based in Australia. I put this together as Subaru ~ kangaroo are damn close. Then add all those Paul Hogan commercials and it all comes together. As of 2015 and a lost bet, I know better. On a side note. What is up with the passenger windows in back? When rolled down it looks to be broke or designed by the Kerbal Space Institute.

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PostSat Mar 21, 2015 4:42 pm 
At least you can actually roll the passenger windows down all the way in a Subaru...

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PostSat Mar 21, 2015 5:22 pm 
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At least you can actually roll the passenger windows down all the way in a Subaru...
depends on the Subaru... my rear windows only roll down about 2/3. Most modern cars are like this as a "safety feature." Apparently making it mildly more inconvenient for your rug rats to climb out the window is a selling point.

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PostSat Mar 21, 2015 9:09 pm 
Yea I was surprised, both our 2014 Impreza and my 2015 Outback all the windows roll all the way down. They didn't on my 2000 Nissan Maxima, 1999 Nissan Quest Van or our 2008 Honda CRV. Interestingly enough Subaru also doesn't automatically lock the doors once you are up to a certain speed.

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PostMon Mar 23, 2015 2:55 pm 
I can find more footage of bigfoot than that rear window rolling down...
The window completely goes crooked and submerges in the most confounding way I have ever seen on any vehicle.

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PostWed Mar 25, 2015 4:55 am 
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I can find more footage of bigfoot than that rear window rolling down...
The window completely goes crooked and submerges in the most confounding way I have ever seen on any vehicle.
You are.poking fun at subarus? They are defiantly the go to car for hikers.I personsnlly don't think they are special. I know they are rated very well for reliability. My friends 014 has the bells and whistles. But the ride is noisey as hell.And he paid almost as much for it as our 012 pilot. Both are awd we have the V 6 and get almost as good mpg as his subaru.I think on dirt roads the subaru rides terrible. As far as reliability I had a 04 ranger 4wd that we put over 140.000 miles on it never broke down once.We got a 99 Camry new and my son has it and it has 180.000 on it.It has only had a new starter in16 years. Our 08 f 150 extended cab 4wd with 5.4 V 8. it gets horrid mpg. But what a nice vehicle to travel in. At any trail head or ski areas subarus litter the lot. IMO they are okay at best. When we travel to Bellingham or Medford we take the ttruck for comfort and quite ride.So for may be forty or so bucks more its well worth it. Could be why ford sells a f i50 every thirty seconds and the have sold more of them than anything for 37 years in row. CHANGE THE OIL EVERY 3.000 miles and your engine will treat youwell.

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PostWed Mar 25, 2015 8:47 am 
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You are.poking fun at subarus? They are defiantly the go to car for hikers.I personsnlly don't think they are special. I know they are rated very well for reliability. My friends 014 has the bells and whistles. But the ride is noisey as hell.And he paid almost as much for it as our 012 pilot. Both are awd we have the V 6 and get almost as good mpg as his subaru.I think on dirt roads the subaru rides terrible. As far as reliability I had a 04 ranger 4wd that we put over 140.000 miles on it never broke down once.We got a 99 Camry new and my son has it and it has 180.000 on it.It has only had a new starter in16 years. Our 08 f 150 extended cab 4wd with 5.4 V 8. it gets horrid mpg. But what a nice vehicle to travel in. At any trail head or ski areas subarus litter the lot. IMO they are okay at best. When we travel to Bellingham or Medford we take the ttruck for comfort and quite ride.So for may be forty or so bucks more its well worth it. Could be why ford sells a f i50 every thirty seconds and the have sold more of them than anything for 37 years in row. CHANGE THE OIL EVERY 3.000 miles and your engine will treat youwell.
What kind of Subaru are you comparing a Honda Pilot to? Comparing the cost of a 2014 vehicle to a 2012 vehicle makes little sense. Personally I don't like the Subaru's with the 2.5L 4 banger engines either. IMHO they are underpowered/have to work too hard sometimes. Price comparison (using MSRP just for comparison purposes, no one pays that). : 2015 Honda Pilot fully loaded (41,620) 2015 Subaru Outback Limited 3.6R fully loaded (37,508) Similar horsepower/torque (250ish), the Pilot weights (curb weight) about 800 lbs/more (4,608 vs 3,810). Neither one is going to be a race car. I don't even know if the Honda has all the Eyesight like/safety features of the Subaru. It may at least have similar counterparts at least in some areas, but unless it also drives itself I doubt any of those systems are superior. I wasn't in the market for quite that large of a vehicle to seat 7 or 8 so I didn't take a serious look. The Pilot is a larger vehicle than the Forester or Outback for sure. One might expect to pay more. If someone paid more for an Outback or a Forester than for a similarly equipped Pilot (of the same year) then they got the raw deal on that one.

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PostWed Mar 25, 2015 12:00 pm 
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You are.poking fun at subarus? They are defiantly the go to car for hikers.I personsnlly don't think they are special. I know they are rated very well for reliability. My friends 014 has the bells and whistles. But the ride is noisey as hell.And he paid almost as much for it as our 012 pilot. Both are awd we have the V 6 and get almost as good mpg as his subaru.I think on dirt roads the subaru rides terrible. As far as reliability I had a 04 ranger 4wd that we put over 140.000 miles on it never broke down once.We got a 99 Camry new and my son has it and it has 180.000 on it.It has only had a new starter in16 years. Our 08 f 150 extended cab 4wd with 5.4 V 8. it gets horrid mpg. But what a nice vehicle to travel in. At any trail head or ski areas subarus litter the lot. IMO they are okay at best. When we travel to Bellingham or Medford we take the ttruck for comfort and quite ride.So for may be forty or so bucks more its well worth it. Could be why ford sells a f i50 every thirty seconds and the have sold more of them than anything for 37 years in row. CHANGE THE OIL EVERY 3.000 miles and your engine will treat youwell.
What kind of Subaru are you comparing a Honda Pilot to? Comparing the cost of a 2014 vehicle to a 2012 vehicle makes little sense. Personally I don't like the Subaru's with the 2.5L 4 banger engines either. IMHO they are underpowered/have to work too hard sometimes. Price comparison (using MSRP just for comparison purposes, no one pays that). : 2015 Honda Pilot fully loaded (41,620) 2015 Subaru Outback Limited 3.6R fully loaded (37,508) Similar horsepower/torque (250ish), the Pilot weights (curb weight) about 800 lbs/more (4,608 vs 3,810). Neither one is going to be a race car. I don't even know if the Honda has all the Eyesight like/safety features of the Subaru. It may at least have similar counterparts at least in some areas, but unless it also drives itself I doubt any of those systems are superior. I wasn't in the market for quite that large of a vehicle to seat 7 or 8 so I didn't take a serious look. The Pilot is a larger vehicle than the Forester or Outback for sure. One might expect to pay more. If someone paid more for an Outback or a Forester than for a similarly equipped Pilot (of the same year) then they got the raw deal on that one.
I am not bashing subarus our pilot listed for 38,000 we offerd them 15% less they would not take it, the dealer called two days later and we settled on 12% off. My friend paid almost msrp for the top of the line outback. Every dealer he went to said we can sell these cars easy and fast so we do not discount that much. The Economy was really bad when we bought the pilot in dec 011 and we paid cash. My friend has a 60 month loan on his car.My wife went and drove alnost evrery kind of suv and smaller cars like subarus and she liked the pilot and the Taho. I said forget the Taho they start at well over 40,000 Maybe you cant get a pilot discounted now. We also have a Prius that I drive as I am retired my wife drives the pilot but only has four miles to go to work. I dont care what any consuner test or sad subura comercial says says I want to be in our pilot or truck if Dodge Ram plows into us. I like Japenies products I thnk they are all extremly reliable I also own a 014 Kawaski 900 Vulcan limited addition For me I would rather drive 100 miles in the Prius than the outback that is just how I feel . As far as hauling a lot of people thats not really a issue for the comfort you get driveing across the state. I have driven my trunk many time alone well over 300 miles and I can completely stretch my legs out in curise control and it get reasonable mpg if I do the sped limit. My friends subaru iis the first one I have really road in I guess I expected more, I lke the heated seat after a cold winter outnig smile.gif Also the msrp on cars has hardly changed in two years. When my niece bought a 010 pilot the price msrp was almost the same as the 012.

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PostWed Mar 25, 2015 12:38 pm 
As for paying MSRP for a car... Ok I more or less did that once (never again) with I bought a 2000 Nissan Maxima in 1999. It was literally the first car they got in the showroom of the redesigned 2000 model, and I was desperate for a car. I fell in love and had to have, I paid. Still got 15 years and 215k miles out of it before it finally got donated away. As for Outbacks. I had to order and wait for a 2015 Outback Premium 3.6R with all the options and wait basically 2 months. The demand was crazy. You couldn't even find one to test drive equipped as I wanted. I still paid dealer invoice price. A Prius? Seriously? I'd rather ride in/drive my daughters 2014 Impreza.... In fact we took a 2000 mile road trip through the Canadian Rockies last summer in it. Now maybe if you are talking about the Outback with the 4 cylinder engine, ok, more noise, less power. Not even really accurate to compare with something bigger with a bigger engine. May as well compare a Smart Car with a Lexus... Other than the fact the trunk room was tight for 3 people and the Impreza was underpowered (something the Prius would be as well), especially carrying 3 people and cargo over passes in Canada where the Speed limit is 120KPH the car did well and we were comfortable traveling. Now having the Outback I can say it would be a joy to take a road trip in this car. Night and day in space and comfort. The Prius is even more gutless than the Impreza. I owned American made cars in the past before seeing the light and always having problems to some degree earlier than I would have figured. No thanks... I MIGHT consider an American made truck if I wanted a big pickup truck but that would be about it. We also own a CRV (2008). No comparison with the Outback, but then again the CRV is built on the smaller class platform of the Civic. Less power, more road noise, and quite honestly it doesn't ride as smooth or nice on gravel forest service roads either. I can tell you 100% if in an accident I'd rather be in the Subaru. In fact some of the safety features might even prevent the accident. At least if not the safety rating is superb. Not that the Honda is bad. I honestly can't say about the reliability of the Subarus we own. I have no experience with Subaru prior to a year ago when we bought the Impreza for my daughter. I guess I'm rolling the dice a little. We'll see. If it doesn't go well I might head back to Nissan/Infinity. Different strokes for different folks. Heck if not, we'd all drive the same vehicle and it would be a boring world.

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PostWed Mar 25, 2015 1:14 pm 
for what it's worth, my lousy two cents: don't understand the hating on Subaru. just because if you spell it backwards it's "U R A bus" maybe? okay seriously: 30+ years here automotive aftermarket parts (retail/wholesale/outside sales) (okay, I'll confess: I did a very short stint at a dealership, but that's another story.) had a customer at one of the stores. Bruce. can't recall his last name. owned several Subarus. drove 'em to death commuting four hours every day and then traded them in. I remember talking with him one day when he came in for a set of disc brake pads (the only parts he ever bought, other than oil and oil filters and air filters) and telling him "If all my customers drove Subarus I'd go broke here." only drove one once. brand new zero-mile rental from Enterprise. Seattle to Medford and back (via the Dalles and up over Babyshoe Pass on the way back.) damn good car. "Legacy" if I recall correctly. my old Ranger is just shy of 300K on the odometer, two engines and three transmissions later. if only Ford Motor Company could build 'em as good as Subaru I could be like Bruce - just buying filters and brake pads.

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PostWed Mar 25, 2015 2:14 pm 
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my old Ranger is just shy of 300K on the odometer, two engines and three transmissions later
You must have more money in that Ranger than my three cars and motorcycle. eek.gif My Kawasaki was made in Nebraska, Camery in Kentucky and Pilot in America to. The f 150 was made in Canada not sure about the Prius. So the ford is the foreign vehicle. In 40 years of driving we have put a lot of miles on cars including a Ford escort, Two Rangers and even a old Courier aka Mazda. Never blown a engine or replaced a transmission. But then again I don't go out and buy a car or truck that somebody did not take care of thinking I am saving money. And its just a black hole you put money in to. Any car will treat you the same way you treat them. I had a 04 Ranger and sold it with well over 100,000 miles on it bought a used 08 Ranger from a neighbor with 35,000 on it and three years ago I gave it to a family in need with over 130,000 miles on it. And the only problem I had was the heater coil sprung leak on the 08 Ranger. Both had the four cylinder and five speed manual transmission.

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PostWed Mar 25, 2015 2:41 pm 
well.... you probably don't use your vehicles the same way. first Ranger (1983) was used as a delivery vehicle and driven by dozens of different delivery drivers - mostly kids - who beat the hell out of it. three engines and four transmissions on that one. this Ranger (1994) was used for outside sales - averaged 300 miles daily - covered Western Washington and some trips to Spokane/Tri-Cities/Portland (any farther and I used rental cars.) doesn't matter what kind of maintenance schedule you follow - (and yes, I've read the stories about the Mercedes-with-a-million-miles-on-the odometer) - if you drive a vehicle that hard over an extended period, stuff is going to break. all in all, the '94 has been a good vehicle. (and engines are cheap if you know the right people - $1100 installed for the last one.) transmission is unfortunately undersized for a truck and the internal components just plain wore out. and nothing's made in this country anymore - the pieces are all manufactured overseas and the assembly plants are here - that's as close as they get to being "domestic" vehicles.

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PostWed Mar 25, 2015 3:32 pm 
The only one I ever drove was an 88' Justy back when I was in the Army. It was a lot of fun and I could not believe a 3 cylinder engine even existed. I settled on a 88' dodge shadow turbo that was damn fast in my mind. This goes back to 90' and that shadow still is the fastest car I've owned.

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PostWed Mar 25, 2015 7:49 pm 
early Saabs had 3-cylinder engines. I had two customers up in Yelm who owned them... always was puzzled by the firing order on a 3-cylinder engine myself. dizzy.gif

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PostWed Mar 25, 2015 8:43 pm 
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early Saabs had 3-cylinder engines. I had two customers up in Yelm who owned them... always was puzzled by the firing order on a 3-cylinder engine myself. dizzy.gif
Didn't the first Subaru's in the sixty's have little two stoke engines? I remember the first Honda in the late sixty's and they had the 750 cc motorcycle engine. They were cute Little cars and I mean small.I thought the first Subaru's were tiny two strokes and styled like a 1940s coupe very ugly things. I might be wrong on this one. But I do remember a small two stroke car in the sixty's. We were married in 1978 twenty and not much money we had a 70 Dart plus a old VW Bug. 78- 79 was one of the coldest winters on record down here and I had to drive that VW 25 miles to work, It was often in the teens or single digits the Columbia and Willamette froze over that winter. The heaters in those VWS were useless. Never needed chains though and we had snow and a week long ice storm that thing was amazing. When we got the courier and the escort we thought they were great. Then we got the rangers and Camry and thought we really had it made. I guess I drove small stuff for a long time and have been very lucky in this decade I don't feel bad about treating myself to a bigger quite comfortable vehicle to take road trips in. I don't mind a little car for running around daily. I gave My Kawasaki 1,000 and a 96 ranger to people in need both in good shape. I remember living check to check loosing jobs so I feel its only right to give back. You just have to make sure your not giving to meth heads that will sell your gift for another high. Its really not that easy a lot of people are users out there. even if you do not agree with religion the Catholic, Jewish and protestant church's seem to be the places to find good people in a bad situation.. I don't trust the new carismatic church's that pack high school gyms every Sunday. Everybody wants it all right now for us it took a lot work planning and time. Some people do have it all right out of the gate good for them. This is just MHO if anybody cares. Rants over dance.gif

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