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PostSat May 16, 2015 10:21 pm 
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PostSat May 16, 2015 11:10 pm 
At one time we thought it would be fun to get married at the one on highway 2.😇

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PostSun May 17, 2015 12:49 pm 
Take a look at that map. Utah is not among the "most religious" states. Not anymore, at least. And they marry gays these days. I tell you, the times they are a-changing.

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PostSun May 17, 2015 1:52 pm 
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Utah is not among the "most religious" states. Not anymore, at least.
Here is another listing of the most religious states with Utah's reason for being included.

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PostSun May 17, 2015 2:08 pm 
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Religion (organized) is the scourge of humanity.
Do you mean is currently or is and always has been the scourge of humanity? When was there ever a time without organized religion? Were those times somehow better? The entire history of humanity is accompanied by warfare. If there were any periods without organized religion, they don't stand out as periods of peace. Are you suggesting if we get rid of organized religion the future will be different from the past? Maybe, but that's a hypothetical. There doesn't seem to be a lot of evidence for this. The godless dictators Stalin and Hitler and many others like them killed millions without organized religion. Where did the idea that all life has equal value come from? Depending on your definition, you might answer organized religion. Has this idea always been implemented correctly? Absolutely not.

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PostSun May 17, 2015 2:20 pm 
Agreeing with Bernardo. In the relatively rare cases that non-religion has had power, the results have not been obviously better. Like I said above, I think religion is mostly used as an excuse for what people want to do anyway.

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PostSun May 17, 2015 3:50 pm 
Conrad wrote:
Like I said above, I think religion is mostly used as an excuse for what people want to do anyway.
A good example is the Fourth Crusade where you had Christians massacring Christians supposedly over doctrinal differences between the Western and Eastern church. But in reality it was more about raw political power and gain.

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PostSun May 17, 2015 4:59 pm 
MyFootHurts wrote:
RandyHiker wrote:
The current wave is no different , people want come here, work hard
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Yep the current wave of anti-immigrant sentiment is not much different than past anti-immigrant sentiment.

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PostSun May 17, 2015 7:07 pm 
Bernardo wrote:
Do you mean is currently or is and always has been the scourge of humanity? When was there ever a time without organized religion? Were those times somehow better? The entire history of humanity is accompanied by warfare. If there were any periods without organized religion, they don't stand out as periods of peace. Are you suggesting if we get rid of organized religion the future will be different from the past? Maybe, but that's a hypothetical. There doesn't seem to be a lot of evidence for this. The godless dictators Stalin and Hitler and many others like them killed millions without organized religion. Where did the idea that all life has equal value come from? Depending on your definition, you might answer organized religion. Has this idea always been implemented correctly? Absolutely not.
Thank you Bernando. I thought this thread was ridiculous but hadn't responded. Take away religion and people would still be fighting and killing each other over differences in nationality, ethnicity, political views, competition for resources...the list goes on and on. To blame all of the ills of society on organized religion is more lacking in reasoning and intelligent thought as some on this thread have accused the practitioners of religions of being guilty of. By a landslide.

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PostSun May 17, 2015 8:23 pm 
Cro-Manon humans practiced crude rituals in caves for tens of thousands of years before language and writing. These early practices are believed to be precursors to the eventual rise in belief systems. The need to believe is evolutionary and part of the adaptive process that rose when humans became self-aware of themselves and their mortality. As human experience and knowledge increased over thousands of years belief systems evolved and we're manipulated by there human creators. Accumulated knowledge can take the place of a belief system.

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PostMon May 18, 2015 9:42 am 
Malachai Constant wrote:
My opinion is that it is more acceptable to say you are secular now especially among millennials than before.
Many of America's founding fathers, e.g., Thomas Jefferson, were self-proclaimed secularists. Wearing religion on one's sleeve is relatively recent, according to this guy who was recently interviewed on NPR's Fresh Air.

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We are finally seeing the effects of reduced lead levels in the environment.

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PostMon May 18, 2015 9:58 am 
Religion is just another form of self righteous indignation. Forums are the new religion. Forum bless you all.

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PostMon May 18, 2015 10:01 am 
Forum save the Corp

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PostMon May 18, 2015 11:26 am 
mezmochill wrote:
Religion is just another form of self righteous indignation. Forums are the new religion.
And like religions, forums do not tolerate dissent. If you say something on an internet forum that the owner does not like, or deems not politically or doctrinally correct, they will excommunicate you.

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