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wildernessed viewbagger
Joined: 31 Oct 2004 Posts: 9275 | TRs | Pics Location: Wenatchee |
I came across the lightweight, flexible, cushioned Hokaa One One Tor Mid hiker while browsing the internet last November. I had a pair of Hokaa Stinson Tarmac maximalist running shoes which I switched out to from my Brooks Ravenna 5's when I needed some extra cushioning from impacts after hiking, backpacking, or just plain running more with old legs. Thinking to myself I wondered if they made road and trail runners did they make a hiker and I found this video.
Looked good so I scanned the internet not finding much more than that video at the time only to discover that those hikers were not available in the U.S. I changed Google to a shopping search and found the hiking shoes on Amazon where an independent retailer in England was selling them through Amazon and in no time they were at my front door.
I started wearing them in December 2014 and have put about 45 hiking trips on them encompassing hundreds of miles, tens of thousands of feet of elevation gain, every type of terrain ( on and off trail with microspikes and snowshoes class 1-3, mud, snow, dirt, scree, talus, boulders etc...) I have hiked to a jog and even ran with them in a day pack and they have been about the best boot I have ever worn, maybe the best in the end.
The Tor Mid I purchased weighed just 12 oz. each (remember a lb. on your feet equals 5-6 lbs. in your pack) had a tough fabric upper with an Event lining and a vibram sole with some good size lugs on them. My feet never got wet submerged in snow, in puddles, or with light rain, the upper and laces are in near the same shape as when I originally put them on. My feet were never uncomfortable, my ankles were well supported, I never had a blister going up steep inclines even off trail, and the cushioning was something I had never experienced in another hiker. I never felt a rock or any protruberance through the soles. Your foot sinks down into the foam so your not riding on top of a stiff sole your feet are sitting in it and the shoe conforms to your foot just as the malleable sole conforms to the terrain underneath leaving you with more sole in contact with the ground vs. traditional boots. I absolutely love these hikers which are also used as runners but now six months in I think I wore the foam out much like leather and the soles seem to have lost some of their structure.
About the only noticeable con I can think of is while side hilling on steep terrain the fabric upper and sole don't seem as secure as you might want but you could level that claim against quite a few thin leather, or especially leather / fabric boots. The boots in there current form are not available anymore except overseas where they are being closed out to make way for Hokaa's new Mountain series which will offer both leather / fabric hybrid low, mid, and high top boots and a solid leather version to. The release date in the U.S. for these boots is July 2015 and while there is limited information on the boots right now there is some.
Hokaa One One Goes Hiking
Hokaa One One Ultra High WP information
TOR SPEED WP (old version I am reviewing)
Tor Speed Description / Information on ultramarathonrunner.com
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How would you characterize the toe box (narrow, wide, neutral)?
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wildernessed viewbagger
Joined: 31 Oct 2004 Posts: 9275 | TRs | Pics Location: Wenatchee |
George Johnson wrote: | How would you characterize the toe box (narrow, wide, neutral)? |
The upper is well cushioned and wraps the foot well allowing you to pull it together around your foot and your foot sinks into the foam sole some so you do get a unique fit. The shoe fits your foot instead of your foot having to conform to a boot. I usually wear a pair of Fitsock Medium weight socks and I have a small knobby heel and a wide forefoot. As soon as this new shoe hits the market there will be a lot of reviews as far as volume, true to size etc...
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wildernessed viewbagger
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Doppelganger wrote: | How secure did you feel about your footing while scrambling/etc off trail? |
Felt good they had more off trail miles than on trail and currently I can still hike and even run in them comfortably. Some people think they will tend to roll on them on uneven terrain but a boot like that which conforms to the surface it is on gives you about the best contact you can get. I have had my left ankle in a cast twice after rolling it and have had that tendency since and these gave me support and cushion. There are quite a few runners in long distance ultrarunning that use the low cut Hokaa trail shoes to run. When they come the individual buyer will have to make a decision as to whether they fit and feel right but if your on a trail or easy off trail and they do fit your probably going to like hiking and backpacking a little more.
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Tue Jun 02, 2015 4:18 pm
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I have lots of miles on Hoka running shoes, use them for all my road and trail running. FWIW, I have needed to repair all the uppers of my 4 pairs of Hokas. A local shop owner advised that these Hoka hikers would be hitting the market.
wildernessed wrote: | About the only noticeable con I can think of is while side hilling on steep terrain |
That was my first thought. Loss of edging power is the cost of cushioning. For off-trail that'd be an absolute deal killer for me. I get that a malleable midsole can conform to some off-trail stuff (e.g., the mushy snow in that first video), but there are lots of places where edging power is required.
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Tue Jun 02, 2015 6:49 pm
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BigSteve wrote: | ]That was my first thought. Loss of edging power is the cost of cushioning. For off-trail that'd be an absolute deal killer for me. I get that a malleable midsole can conform to some off-trail stuff (e.g., the mushy snow in that first video), but there are lots of places where edging power is required. |
Yeah, I agree but, ... Edge stiffness and cushioning is not necessarily mutually exclusive is it? Depends upon how it is implemented in this boot.
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Tue Jun 02, 2015 8:53 pm
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One of my ski buddies busted his ankle trail running in One Ones - the thick soft soles cushion the impact, but I think they also demand a tiny bit closer attention to foot placement . Of course as Whymper once said "Look well each step.."
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DIYSteve seeking hygge
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Wed Jun 03, 2015 9:08 am
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Interesting. My Hokas don't seem to promote ankle roll any more than other trail shoes. I have est. 2,000 miles on Hokas and AFAIR have never rolled an ankle in them. Although Hoka shoe midsoles look thick from the outside, the foot is positioned down in a cradle.
mike wrote: | Edge stiffness and cushioning is not necessarily mutually exclusive is it? |
If these boots are anything like Hoka shoes, yes. The thick soft midsole in Hoka shoes renders them to have virtually zero edging power. Hoka shoe designs instead rely on malleability to conform to terrain, which works very well for rocky trails, but they completely suck traversing a firm snow sideslope. Cf., tradeoff between edging vs. smearing or, with a car, a stiff performance suspension vs. a cushy comfortable suspension.
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wildernessed viewbagger
Joined: 31 Oct 2004 Posts: 9275 | TRs | Pics Location: Wenatchee |
I found the Hokaa One One Tor Speed Mid on Ebay via a retailer ordered a pair to hold me over until the Mountain series new versions come out. About 100.00 cheaper and brand new. This one is a leather upper or so it says, looks the same. Bonus Music video !
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Just purchased my first pair of Hokas!
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wildernessed viewbagger
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Have another pair of the old version (2014) that should be here any day that were 100.00 off and preordered the 2015 new Mountain series high top.
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Thu Jun 18, 2015 11:12 am
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to Andrew's Skurka's comment re allegedly "waterproof" shoes and the guy calling out the "Best of Gear" FAIL re Kingpin binding. Again, FTR, I like my Hoka running shoes. Too bad they junked this up with an ePTFE membrane.
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wildernessed viewbagger
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I think it's the same membrane I used all Winter and Spring without getting wet feet in snow, ice, rain, mud with microspikes and snowshoes and the older version Tors were fabric. I would wait for experienced reviews before criticizing them.
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Thu Jun 18, 2015 12:01 pm
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So, is this Hoka ePTFE membrane different from the 10+ pairs of ePTFE membrane footwear I've used, all of which quickly failed and didn't breathe worth a damn? If not, Skurka and I need not wait for reviews of this specific application to opine that ePTFE footwear sucks.
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