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PostWed Jun 17, 2015 9:52 am 
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About five percent of our trails are overcrowded from June to August.  If you can't figure out which ones those are and avoid them during those times, then the problem is YOU.

No. The problem is with the selfish idiots who think they can sh## everywhere and trash pristine wilderness areas. So yeah, fewer of those idiots out there is better for everyone who isn't one.

I'm not bitching about overcrowding. I find it really easy to avoid people. Even on the most popular trails, it's all about timing. But I will not hide my disgust for the people who leave trash and sh## everywhere.
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PostWed Jun 17, 2015 9:53 am 
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This year's pre-season was unusually crowded due the early snow melt.   I had core zone for mid-july in 2011 (A very snowy year) and it was hard to find any bare ground. 

As a skier I certainly hope that in years to come the pre-season will much more snow covered than this year.
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PostWed Jun 17, 2015 9:55 am 
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Lono wrote:
  If you can't think of anywhere else to go in May or June them maybe NWH can compile a thinking list of alternatives.

Here:

Pike Place Market
Discovery Park
Broadway
Pioneer Square
Alki Beach
Spokane
California
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PostWed Jun 17, 2015 10:18 am 
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Spokane?!?!

why such hate, man? wink.gif

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PostWed Jun 17, 2015 10:23 am 
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Ski wrote:
Spokane?!?!

why such hate, man? wink.gif

No hate! I think Spokane is a lovely place. I strongly encourage people to visit.
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PostWed Jun 17, 2015 12:24 pm 
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As outdoorsmen/women we often like to think that all the 'other' people are part of the crowds, we belong there 'they' don't. Lets face it, if you were up there this weekend, you're part of the problem.

Posting trip reports about how great conditions are up there don't exactly help the cause either.

perhaps the FS should start mandating permits a bit earlier next season...

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PostWed Jun 17, 2015 12:31 pm 
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This was kind of a fluke year with low snow and everything melting out so early.  While I appreciate several comments that the quota system has helped the area recover somewhat from the 70's or 80's, the quota system is exactly why it got so hammered the last several weekends.  You limit supply, demand is going to spike.  You have a narrow window where people can get up there with self issued permits, of course it's going to be crowded.  I did it 2 weekends ago, so I'm part of the problem too.  I went with a couple people who'd never been up there before.  They tried for lottery permits for later in the year but weren't successful.  What else can you really expect to happen?
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PostWed Jun 17, 2015 12:39 pm 
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As outdoorsmen/women we often like to think that all the 'other' people are part of the crowds, we belong there 'they' don't. Lets face it, if you were up there this weekend, you're part of the problem.

I think that's a little unfair to say the OP is part of the problem. Was he smearing his fecal matter on trees and flagging routes with his TP? Many of us have never left an ounce of trash in the wilderness, and we actually know how to take a dump in the woods.
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PostWed Jun 17, 2015 12:44 pm 
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sure, but as far as simple overcrowding goes we're all part of that problem, myself included.

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PostWed Jun 17, 2015 12:51 pm 
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General overcrowding doesn't bother me that much. At least, not compared to seeing trash and feces in the wilderness.
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PostWed Jun 17, 2015 1:21 pm 
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Eric Willhite wrote:
About five percent of our trails are overcrowded from June to August.  If you can't figure out which ones those are and avoid them during those times, then the problem is YOU.

Pretty much; I lmao when people come here for recommendations for hikes that are easy to get to and secluded
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PostWed Jun 17, 2015 1:24 pm 
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Lutzman wrote:
As outdoorsmen/women we often like to think that all the 'other' people are part of the crowds, we belong there 'they' don't. Lets face it, if you were up there this weekend, you're part of the problem.

Posting trip reports about how great conditions are up there don't exactly help the cause either.

perhaps the FS should start mandating permits a bit earlier next season...

This is why I rarely post reports
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PostWed Jun 17, 2015 1:25 pm 
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Studebaker Hoch wrote:
Pretty much; I lmao when people come here for recommendations for hikes that are easy to get to and secluded

...and great views.
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PostWed Jun 17, 2015 1:26 pm 
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Maybe they should build new trails up cannon from the old logging road and up rat creek and toketie; that would atleast spread the crowds out
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PostWed Jun 17, 2015 1:27 pm 
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...and great views.

In a mile or less with less than 200 feet of gain; also have running water
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