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PostWed Jul 15, 2015 8:22 am 
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JPH wrote:
do you wash the garments after treating and before wearing, or go straight from drying to wearing?

The latter. I wash with a wee bit of detergent in cold water a couple times a year, only when the garment gets pretty filthy. I usually skip the wash and just hand rinse after a trip.
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PostWed Jul 15, 2015 3:26 pm 
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Big Steve, or anyone:
I posted this question on another topic too, but does anyone have any data/experience/knowledge as to how durable DIY Permethrin is on 100% synthetic clothing? (nylon and Polyester mainly)

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PostWed Jul 15, 2015 4:25 pm 
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Schenk wrote:
Big Steve, or anyone:
I posted this question on another topic too, but does anyone have any data/experience/knowledge as to how durable DIY Permethrin is on 100% synthetic clothing? (nylon and Polyester mainly)

Not hard data, but I wear 100% synthetic clothes, and a "spray til damp" treatment lasts about a month of once a week hikes, before I start fretting about diminished protection and give it another light going over, just in case, which usually takes it pretty much through most of a bug season.   Why not, its so cheap with DIY dilution?

I toss my stuff in a normal wash with normal detergent after every hike, so no babying my synthetic outfit.

No reason to overthink this thing.

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PostThu Jul 16, 2015 7:24 am 
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My DIY treatments on nylon (woven) and polyester (knit and woven) garments have been effective for a full mountain season -- April to October -- with a couple light cold water washings and a few more rinses.

ETA: +1 to boot's comment about DIY spray being inexpensive, light refresh spray costs a few cents. Sawyer stuff costs could add up pretty quick.

ETA2: from Sawyer's website:
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A single application lasts 6 washings or 42 days of sun exposure.

IME, my DIY treatments last quite a bit longer than that.
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PostThu Jul 16, 2015 8:50 am 
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The reason I asked:
The Insect Shield clothing I have seen in the stores is cotton-poly and although it may be out there, I haven't seen any 100% synthetic being done. Cotton absorbs way more water (and I would assume absorb more of the permetherin solution) than nylon, and certainly more than polyester.
I have some nylon shirts and pants I use for hiking  and fly fishing.
I also have some polyester shirts that I put though a lot of abuse.
I like to access some tough spots off trail and a couple days in the mountains of thrashing through wet brush (frequently it is too warm for a rain jacket during insect season) with repeated wet-dry cycles  seems like it will equal or exceed "6 washings" in that amount of time.

Big Steve's experience with his all polyester shirts is promising, but I guess I will just have to give it a go and see how it works.

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PostThu Jul 16, 2015 9:13 am 
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Schenk wrote:
The Insect Shield clothing I have seen in the stores is cotton-poly and although it may be out there, I haven't seen any 100% synthetic

Columbia and Ex Officio make 100% synthetic permethrin-treated bug/sun shirts. Columbia is 100% polyester; Ex Officio is 100% nylon. I have lots of days on each. Great shirts.

Note: I was surprised that the Ex Officio was 100% nylon, not poly, so I checked mine and, sure enough, it's nylon -- so I'll revise my prior post.

Columbia and Ex Officio also make 100% synthetic pants, but IME they are too fragile for cross-country travel. No biggie if you DIY.
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PostThu Jul 16, 2015 9:28 am 
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RailRiders makes treated 100% synthetic clothing that is completely bomb proof for anything you want to throw at it.

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PostThu Jul 16, 2015 10:10 am 
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BigSteve wrote:
Columbia and Ex Officio make 100% synthetic permethrin-treated bug/sun shirts. Columbia is 100% polyester; Ex Officio is 100% nylon. I have lots of days on each. Great shirts.

Good to know, thanks for that info Big Steve.
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PostThu Jul 16, 2015 10:11 am 
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I met JPH last night and bought some of his permethrin concentrate (and enjoyed a great ride across town).  Thanks JPH!

Looking forward to not getting bit.

Even after the stuff is dry, I need to keep it well away from the cats, right?
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PostThu Jul 16, 2015 10:33 am 
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Brian Curtis wrote:
RailRiders makes treated 100% synthetic clothing that is completely bomb proof for anything you want to throw at it.

Cool. I didn't know that RR was still around. I had a pair of RR pants 20+ years ago, put lots of days on them in some rugged conditions. Good stuff.
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PostSat Jul 18, 2015 3:57 pm 
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If you are really lazy, and don't want to buy/store chemicals, you can have Insect Shield do it for you for $9.95 per garment (lower pricing dependent upon volume).

http://www.insectshield.com/PDF/IS_Your_Own_Clothes_-_US_form_revised_3-23-2015.pdf
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PostWed Jul 22, 2015 10:55 am 
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Cyclopath wrote:
I met JPH last night and bought some of his permethrin concentrate (and enjoyed a great ride across town).  Thanks JPH!

Looking forward to not getting bit.

Even after the stuff is dry, I need to keep it well away from the cats, right?

AFAIK from my research, I am pretty sure it is only harmful to cats/kittens when its wet. Once it dries its perfectly fine for felines. YMMV and dont hate me if your cat goes belly up.
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PostWed Jul 22, 2015 11:12 am 
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Just did a retreatment of all our bug garments. I followed texasbb and did a soak in 1% solution, wrung, hung to drip dry over a bucket, poured the excess back into the bottle. Mask and gloves, of course.
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PostWed Aug 05, 2015 11:55 am 
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I applied the Sawyer spray, and some Ben's .5% solution I had too, on a bunch of clothing I used in the Winds and SW Montana recently.
I was down there a couple-few days after a rainy period and, although the 'squitos, horse flies, and black flies were prolific, they left me alone.
I am so pleased with the performance that I am heading over to the local Farm and Ranch store (North 40). They have  16oz bottles of 13% solution for $8.99

Whoops: I meant 8oz bottles of 13% for $8.99. The 16oz were 19.99 ($2.01 more than 2 x 8oz??)

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PostWed Aug 05, 2015 1:10 pm 
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This is one of the most truly useful threads on this site.  I've long been a fan of Insect Shield clothing, but wasn't aware of all the DIY options.  Thanks, everyone.
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