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cascadetraverser
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PostFri Jul 17, 2015 12:55 am 
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I really enjoy this site for the most part, but it is not uncommon for certain posters to derail some of our discussions/threads with endless angry attacks. And honestly, it really impacts the enjoyment of the site (I guess this site is not unlike real life!) Interestly, none of them seem to be contibruting to this particular thread.  I would add if one of these posters (trolls too) posts some inflammatory comments the best approach is just not to respond to it, period.  If they never get a response from any of us, hopefully they will take their inflammatory posting somewhere else.  I guess the problem is there are so many of us and the temptation is so great to respond, that this is just impractical.  Perhaps, a comment or post from one of us asking who use the site regularly suggesting that no response is best would be helpful...
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PostFri Jul 17, 2015 7:29 am 
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I've put a few of the pervasively obnoxious on ignore. It cleans up the site quite a bit without very much effort at all.
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PostFri Jul 17, 2015 7:53 am 
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Will we start getting TRs from Tom and DHM again? Can the misbehaving kids bring back the jaded elders? You guys killed it (meaning you did amazing things in the mountains, not anything bad to the site!), and might still be killing it. We don't know. I stopped my childish poking at Dave Workman a while ago (thanks for providing the requested info Dave), you guys should contribute a TR to the site wink.gif

Edit: Wanted to add that I have always appreciated what Tom and the members of the site have made here, way better than CC or WTA or any of the other PNW options for trip planning or communication. Plenty of good comes out of this site, I can think of 4 or 5 just while typing these sentences. Probably a pain for the admins/mods, and the people who were around since the beginning times are probably a little tired of the cycle, but it's still a good site.
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PostFri Jul 17, 2015 8:09 am 
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Got it, Tom.
I'll try to keep it in check. up.gif

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PostFri Jul 17, 2015 10:24 am 
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thank you, Tom. wink.gif

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PostSun Jul 19, 2015 8:47 pm 
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Bernardo wrote:
Chief Joseph wrote:
I will refrain from "personal attacks" unless they attack me first, then it's game on. bug.gif

Chief Joseph, there are a lot of ways to think about this.  I would be interested to hear others' opinions.

As for mine, let's start with Tom's request above:  "...before hitting the reply or submit button I would like to ask everyone to think about whether their contribution adds value to this site.  Is it positive?  Is it helpful?  Will it make people want to return to this site and be part of this community?"

I don't see how you defending yourself from someone's self-defeating personal attack against you adds value to the site.  It's not positive, it's not helpful.  It won't make people want to return to this site and be a part of this community.  I suggest trying to apply these criteria to all posts.  Thoughts?

After cooling down a bit and careful consideration I have (grudgingly) concluded that you are correct on this matter.

Although it seriously goes against my grain to not respond and fight back. But as the old saying goes "It takes two to Tango", and responding to or engaging in conflict with trolls or those who wish to spread strife is in reality giving them what they want. Not engaging or responding takes their power away.

So from this day forward, I will fight no more forever. lol.gif

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PostSun Jul 19, 2015 9:04 pm 
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CJ and Bernardo - you guys are very much in the right.  The best way to handle things is to not respond but like you, CJ, my first reaction is to always respond.  I've always been the kind of person to stand up for myself.

the problem as I see it is that, in the past, there have been people who go around making veiled insults and taking things I've written totally out of context or deliberately misinterpreting them then turning them around and using them as a pretext to insult me and no mods did anything about it.  I was brought up to handle my own problems and not be the crybaby tattletale unless the problem was just totally out of my hands.  If I'm expected to ignore people slandering or insulting me then I'd hope the mods would be a little more on the ball.

someone personally attacking other members shouldn't be allowed to just waltz around the site spewing their garbage under the cover of "if you don't like it, put me on ignore."

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PostSun Jul 19, 2015 10:43 pm 
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How about we add that on this forum, silence does not imply consent.
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PostMon Jul 20, 2015 11:06 am 
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Bedivere:  I agree with the concept of standing up for yourself but think responses to some of the spray can be more nuanced.  I firmly believe there are trolls on this site (and others for that matter) that due to some personality disorder, enjoy enciting anger, frustration and mean responses from us via the internet.  If you respond back they only come back with more vitriol and in my opinion don`t deserve a response and if you do respond you will only continue the cycle of abuse.

Others on this site like to argue and don`t mind adding a little venom in their comments.  My sense is this site gets bogged down in a lot of negativism and endless arguing in no small part from this sort of dialogue.  I guess I don`t mind a spicy debate at times, but the level of name calling, bitterness at times of late on NWhikers seems over the top.  If I personally am attacked in an angry manner, I try to respond in a reasonable, rational and peaceful tone and hopefully turn what could be a shouting match into a thoughtful discussion.  It doesn`t always work and if all I get back is angry shouting, I don`t respond. Such blather is not worth my time.
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PostThu Jul 23, 2015 12:24 pm 
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''forget about the reasons for treasons we are seeking,   forget about notion that our emotions can be kept at bay,  forget about being guity we are innocent instead,  for soon our lives will all be swept away.''  Dave Matthews

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PostThu Jul 23, 2015 7:37 pm 
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Chief Joseph wrote:
After cooling down a bit and careful consideration I have (grudgingly) concluded that you are correct on this matter.

CJ, you are a positive voice on this site who has demonstrated many times a desire to think through issues in a fair and open minded manner.
I find it highly commendable that you have the intellectual integrity to make such a statement.  It is extraordinary and it raises you in my esteem.

How's that for a sincere non-attack!
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PostFri Jul 24, 2015 8:24 pm 
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Chief Joseph wrote:
After cooling down a bit and careful consideration I have (grudgingly) concluded that you are correct on this matter.

Although it seriously goes against my grain to not respond and fight back. But as the old saying goes "It takes two to Tango", and responding to or engaging in conflict with trolls or those who wish to spread strife is in reality giving them what they want. Not engaging or responding takes their power away.

So from this day forward, I will fight no more forever

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PostFri Jul 24, 2015 8:25 pm 
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Bernardo wrote:
CJ, you are a positive voice on this site who has demonstrated many times a desire to think through issues in a fair and open minded manner.
I find it highly commendable that you have the intellectual integrity to make such a statement. It is extraordinary and it raises you in my esteem.

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PostFri Jul 24, 2015 8:25 pm 
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Tom wrote:
This site has always been lightly moderated thanks to all of you.  We'd really like to keep it that way so before hitting the reply or submit button I would like to ask everyone to think about whether their contribution adds value to this site.  Is it positive?  Is it helpful?  Will it make people want to return to this site and be part of this community?  Nothing wrong with healthy debate but let's keep it civil, refrain from personal attacks, and remember this site is what you choose to make it.  Thank you!

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PostSun Aug 16, 2015 8:09 am 
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Thank you! Nice site!

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