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[AlpineRose]

[Backpacker Joe]

Look, whatever is going to happen is going to happen! "IF" and I say if because I don't believe that it is, but if this is human caused there is NOTHING that can be done about it! The "BIGGEST" contributors (China, India and so many other 3rd world nations) are "NEVER" going to comply to any regulations that may/might/could possibly make a difference! You can tie as many 1st world nations together as you want, they (we) arent the problem to begin with, and it isnt going to make the smallest dent in the problem! Good luck to you!

[AR]

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[treeswarper]

I will tend to take things more seriously on this forum when I see others on here setting examples of what we should do. At the very least you could carpool to your trailheads. Biking or hiking to go on a hike--hmmm, maybe a new hobby for you, would be very impressive. I see all this hand wringing about how "something" should be done but one answer to my set an example from a major whiner about it (I can't remember who it was} was "I'm waiting for the government to take action." Yup, that's really going to work well so you should stop your whining if you won't take individual actions of your own. So, we should be beyond the sky is falling phase and you should start taking your own actions instead of another 700 page thread on climate disaster. By not commenting on this any further, you will be saving just a bit of power, which results in less water going through a turbine, and maybe just a minutia of helping fish out. Not much, but it is a start for you if you really, really believe that "something must be done."

[NacMacFeegle]

Leading by example is all very well and good. It is something everyone should try and do. However, why do you automatically assume that people posting here who are concerned by environmental issues aren't taking what steps they can to reduce their impact? Every little thing helps, that is something I truly believe, but at some point there is a limit to what the individual can accomplish. Discussing issues such as climate change online is a stepping stone to accomplishing wider change. Through these conversations we can share information and increase awareness. It is difficult, if not impossible, for anyone other than governments to enact meaningful change. For the government to act it too must be changed. To change the government the wider public must be made aware of the necessity for change so that they may act accordingly and vote those who are willing to enact necessary changes into office. Online conversations can help galvanize more people to become invested in our government and the future of our nation and the world.

[Pyrites]

I guess this falls under anecdotal rumor, but maybe 25-30 years ago I saw an initial draft of observations following a blowup. Handwritten, xerox'ed copy. The writer was the Fire Boss (pre IC title) and a friend of person who showed it to me. Why it circulated was supposedly fire crews in central Alaska had always said blow ups were a lower 48 problem. Of course now they happen during the dry years in Alaska too. This was a shock to the wild land FF community in Alaska. What was novel and key was the lack of moisture recovery the night before. Fortunately a retardent bomber was working the fire. Several became separated in retreat. The bomber (now called tankers) broke normal rules and dropped load right on the missing FF's. All survived. Maybe this was 35 + years ago.

[AR]

It took less than a second Doppelganger...It can just as easy be expanded on too. Daring anyone in this day in age to find data on something is silly. http://www.latinpost.com/articles/14408/20140607/new-fire-fossils-show-prehistoric-forests-evolved-the-same-as-now.htm There are millions of articles and facts. Don't let that get in the way of your blind ignorance though, it's your right.

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The world was quite a different place 65 million years ago. No humans existed then, and most of the animal species which were present did not survive the cataclysmic changes that occurred over the course of several million years during the late Cretaceous period.

The difference today is that humans, as a species, are causing very rapid changes in the planet's atmosphere, oceans and climate (from a geological time perspective) which humans may not be able to adapt to or survive.

[Backpacker Joe]

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Good on you for an effort to have a small footprint. I do too. But as to the rest of the post, you've got some major issues. Solutions to this problem, if we can stop global warming, requires government action - to require manufacturers to produce cars with higher mileage and to switch power plants away from the highest polluting methodology for examples. You and tens to hundreds of millions of others around the globe can't buy efficient vehicles if none exist (unless you designed and modified your own vehicle). For these changes to happen it takes political will. And dishonest skepticism gives politicians cover to follow the profit seeking desires of various industries. To think that literally tens of thousands of scientists with climate credentials are making this up is a conspiracy theory of the highest order. More likely it is dishonesty. If you are being honest you've proven you do no research to educate yourself from the factual inaccuracy of your analysis eleven posts before this. Skepticism at this point is ignorance (there is a difference between ignorance and stupidity).

[Backpacker Joe]

[NacMacFeegle]

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