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Klapton
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Klapton
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 Fri Sep 30, 2016 7:52 am |
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| Ski wrote: | | Let me see if I've got this right:
You believe increasing recreational use and visitation is a bad idea.
You believe all hunting should be banned.
You believe rotation cycles on timber harvesting should be measured in centuries, not decades. (Still waiting for an explanation of how your business model works on that one.)
You believe all recreational shooting should be banned on public lands.
You believe all motorized use of public lands by "motorheads" should be banned. (i.e., 4x4, ATV, ORV, motorcycle)
You believe that bicycles should be banned on trails.
Let's see... that leaves mining and grazing, neither of which (at least from what I've gathered from your previous posts) you are a proponent of. |
Only David Attenborough should be allowed in the woods. He'll tell us about what it's like.
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Humptulips
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I'm not sure I like the direction the article seems to point. Not that I have anything against making it easier for guides or groups wanting to get together on USFS lands. No, I think USFS is focusing on the wrong place if they want more public use. They get more use from individuals and not from groups and they seem to do everything they can to discourage this kind of use.
Case in point: decommissioning roads, you can argue the benefit of it but when they are done the roads are impassable and I mean even to the normal walker. They water bar every new spur or rebuilt spur so there is not even room to park there. If they have to decommission a road at least leave it hikeable and enough room to park and maybe camp at the beginning.
Don't try and make the permits easier to get, concentrate on not requiring permits and make it easier to access the forest.
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Klapton
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Fri Sep 30, 2016 10:24 am |
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| Humptulips wrote: | | Don't try and make the permits easier to get, concentrate on not requiring permits and make it easier to access the forest. |
People doing stuff without permission from their Gracious Overlords??!?!?!
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Randito
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Fri Sep 30, 2016 11:02 am |
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| Humptulips wrote: | | Don't try and make the permits easier to get, concentrate on not requiring permits and make it easier to access the forest. |
For the most part people don't need special use permits -- it's larger organized groups and commercial guiding operations.
For example the Cascade Crest 100 requires a special use permit which among other things limits the total number of entrants.
I don't know exactly how complicated the initial special use permit application process was -- but believe that it required some sort of detailed NEPA type analysis of the environmental impact of the race. So I think the going forward policy might relax that a bit so that the ranger district can grant a special use permit without a formal analysis for activities that a essentially the same and what individuals could legally do independently.
Going to a "no permit required, do whatever you want" policy would make managing the forest more chaotic -- for example in the case of the Cascade Crest 100 with no permitting -- instead of limiting the field to 100 -- there could hundreds. Or someone could organize a shorter race that might attract thousands of runners.
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treeswarper
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Fri Sep 30, 2016 12:29 pm |
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Maybe Colorado, where all this was based, is different.
In our area, I only see individual folks who are doing activities requiring no permits, being squished into smaller areas.
This has been an unpleasant year here what with the road washouts. There is one road that could get people around the main blockage, but the FS has decided it is too dangerous for cars to share with maybe 6 logtrucks a day on a fairly nice gravel road with nice turnouts.
We must be protected from ourselves!
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What's especially fun about sock puppets is that you can make each one unique and individual, so that they each have special characters. And they don't have to be human––animals and aliens are great possibilities
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Randito
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Fri Sep 30, 2016 1:47 pm |
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| treeswarper wrote: | | We must be protected from ourselves! |
More likely some "risk management specialist" has determined that the risk of the USFS being sued after a crash on that road is too high.
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Fri Sep 30, 2016 2:37 pm |
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| RandyHiker wrote: | | treeswarper wrote: | | We must be protected from ourselves! |
More likely some "risk management specialist" has determined that the risk of the USFS being sued after a crash on that road is too high. |
I doubt that. Meanwhile, traffic is mixed on the Johnson Cr. road, which is a worse road than the Cispus alternative. Be aware that according to this week's Shopper, 30 minute delays are possible on the only route from the north accessing popular Goat Rocks trailheads and the high lakes.
What's especially fun about sock puppets is that you can make each one unique and individual, so that they each have special characters. And they don't have to be human––animals and aliens are great possibilities
What's especially fun about sock puppets is that you can make each one unique and individual, so that they each have special characters. And they don't have to be human––animals and aliens are great possibilities
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