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JVesquire
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County sheriffs already patrol things like the MLH and give tickets at NWFP sites. This is more of a western state republican thing against these agencies taking cattle from the Bundys, etc, not ticketing hikers for not displaying their passes. I doubt BLM has a single LEO in Washington state.
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Chief Joseph
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| Malachai Constant wrote: | | First this thread should be moved to Stewardship where it belongs. |
This site either needs to have a "Politically Incorrect" forum or disallow any type of Political discussion completely, even if it's hiking related. Kind of like the separate area for gun discussion. Just my opinion.
Go placidly amid the noise and waste, and remember what comfort there may be in owning a piece thereof.
Go placidly amid the noise and waste, and remember what comfort there may be in owning a piece thereof.
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MyFootHurts
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| Chief Joseph wrote: | | Malachai Constant wrote: | | First this thread should be moved to Stewardship where it belongs. |
This site either needs to have a "Politically Incorrect" forum or disallow any type of Political discussion completely, even if it's hiking related. Kind of like the separate area for gun discussion. Just my opinion. |
Stewardship topics should be trail or hiking-related. None of this stuff about "How global warming affects the burrowing habits of the endangered Icelandic tit mouse".
Logging on Oyster Dome is a valid topic to discuss.
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Tom
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Not sure what the issue is. Climate change is hiking related. This thread is hiking related. Moved to stewardship 6+ hours ago. Problem solved.
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Chief Joseph
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| Tom wrote: | | Not sure what the issue is. Climate change is hiking related. This thread is hiking related. Moved to stewardship 6+ hours ago. Problem solved. |
No real issue, just cabin fever and moodiness I suppose.
You are right, I am wrong, nothing new.
Carry on.
Go placidly amid the noise and waste, and remember what comfort there may be in owning a piece thereof.
Go placidly amid the noise and waste, and remember what comfort there may be in owning a piece thereof.
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Seventy2002
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Pyrites
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Fri Jan 27, 2017 10:48 pm |
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| treeswarper wrote: | | I have seen State Patrol in the woods one time when a whole bunch of log trucks were "broke down". The cops had brought portable scales and were weighing trucks and one company tried to wait them out by parking all their loaded trucks out in the woods. The cops took their scales out to the woods. On weigh days, logs mysteriously appeared along roads. That doesn't happen much anymore. |
They took the scales out one day on the St Joe (IPNF's) when I was there. Some of the haulers went beserk. Buzzed several people. Nearly ran the Hydrologist off the road. She was the quietest, mildest person on the District. I think someone went out with her for a couple days after.
It was a long haul out to St Marie's and they made more money. But if that's the plan just pay the tab when you get caught. They wouldn't shoot a rifle aimed three feet from someone, but somehow it was OK to do same with a KW.
Keep Calm and Carry On?
Heck No.
Stay Excited and Get Outside!
Keep Calm and Carry On?
Heck No.
Stay Excited and Get Outside!
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Pyrites
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Fri Jan 27, 2017 10:56 pm |
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Back on topic a little more, in the NW I associate USFS LEO with enforcing timber theft. Did they do the big leaf maple bolts ring down in Lewis Co.?
I also associate them with breaking up the long standing theft practice on the Coast using fraudulent log scale operations. The one that caused the Chief to be forced to resign.
Best.
Keep Calm and Carry On?
Heck No.
Stay Excited and Get Outside!
Keep Calm and Carry On?
Heck No.
Stay Excited and Get Outside!
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treeswarper
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| Pyrites wrote: | | Back on topic a little more, in the NW I associate USFS LEO with enforcing timber theft. Did they do the big leaf maple bolts ring down in Lewis Co.?
I also associate them with breaking up the long standing theft practice on the Coast using fraudulent log scale operations. The one that caused the Chief to be forced to resign.
Best. |
Yes, they do that. They also aren't on their own forests a lot. They go away to help other forests on things like illegal grows. One of the two here was gone for a bit escorting a Christmas tree to DC. The tree went all over the place on the way there and for some reason they want an LEO to provide security. As if it might be a target for a terrorist? That was something I could not understand.
What's especially fun about sock puppets is that you can make each one unique and individual, so that they each have special characters. And they don't have to be human––animals and aliens are great possibilities
What's especially fun about sock puppets is that you can make each one unique and individual, so that they each have special characters. And they don't have to be human––animals and aliens are great possibilities
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Ringangleclaw
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| JVesquire wrote: | | County sheriffs already patrol things like the MLH and give tickets at NWFP sites |
That I've never seen that happen and kind of wonder if you're mistaken.
| JVesquire wrote: | | This is more of a western state republican thing against these agencies taking cattle from the Bundys, etc, not ticketing hikers for not displaying their passes. I doubt BLM has a single LEO in Washington state. |
The problem with this bill is that it runs head long into the Commandeering Doctrine, where the Federal Government is precluded from commandeering local LE into federal agents. If the locals say "no thank you", then what? The forest or BLM land becomes a lawless haven?
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JVesquire
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I suppose it depends on how much you actually get out, but unless the Snohomish sheriff deputies are just bored and looking for something to do they definitely enforce rules on the MLH.
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Ringangleclaw
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| JVesquire wrote: | | .......... but unless the Snohomish sheriff deputies are just bored and looking for something to do they definitely enforce rules on the MLH. |
I wasn't specific. I don't think they enforce the NWFP. I know for a fact that they visit trailheads, in fact they've left a card on my truck at the parking lot for Three O'clock Rock letting us know the lot was checked by the SCSD.
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onemoremile
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| Stefan wrote: | | MyFootHurts wrote: | | Federally employed rangers would be replaced by local police and state patrol |
Yes, I see that. That is why I find this bill very interesting.
Your local police and state police fall under city/county/state jurisdiction. Allowing them to operate on Federal Land puts these people out of their jurisdiction. Isn't there some US Supreme Court ruling limiting officers only in their jurisdiction? Same kind of rules why a police officer in Seattle cannot arrest a person in Spokane??? |
USFS land is routinely patrolled by WDFW. The regulations for hunting on forest service land and the enforcement are done by the state.
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“Arbolist? Look up the word. I don’t know, maybe I made it up. Anyway, it’s an arbo-tree-ist, somebody who knows about trees.” G.W. Bush
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Stefan
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Thanks for clearing these jurisdiction things up for me.
I thought there was a separation of state and federal responsibilities when it came to law enforcement.
I understood about rescues--that falls under the responsibility of the county regardless if it is federal land--been there...done that. I understand about wildlife for the state...because the game management units. Just found it curious about other law enforcement.
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Token Civilian
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My interpretation from this thread is this:
Block grants to the States = Fed Government contracting out the job to State / Local, so no "commandeering". No different than the Feds paying states and localities for the OT for the cops that are used when (any) President, VP, Sec State, etc visits town. Pay XXX dollars to do YYY amount of the job.
As for the intra-state jurisdiction question that came up earlier: At least in the State of Washington, as I understand it from cop family member, LEO's are commissioned by the State, not by their local jurisdiction, so their commission is state wide.
A Spokane County Deputy Sheriff can arrest your backside inside the City of Seattle, and a City of Seattle cop could hook ya up in the wilds of the Colville Forest, with the full authority of their respective commissions.
Note: Not commenting on the wisdom of the proposal, just the mechanics, as they would appear to be from a quick look
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