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Jake Neiffer Member
Joined: 07 Dec 2011 Posts: 825 | TRs | Pics Location: Lexington, OR |
The Feds don't have enough land in Nevada and Utah as it is, that's the problem!
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MyFootHurts Huge Member
Joined: 22 Nov 2011 Posts: 912 | TRs | Pics Location: Kekistan |
off topic politics removed by moderator
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fairweather friend Member
Joined: 31 May 2012 Posts: 322 | TRs | Pics Location: Not so dispersed |
So, Jake, I guess your point is that the Feds own so much land, why not just give it away? I have a different view: This land isn't owned by "the Feds," it's owned by the public-- you and me and 230 million other Americans, not to mention future generations of Americans. It has tremendous value and it already has many productive uses, from resource extraction (logging, mining, and cattle grazing, to name a few of the larger uses) as well as myriad recreational uses (hunting, fishing, hiking, mountain biking, horse riding, watersports, motorsports, etc., etc., etc.) Just read this article in the Guardian that came out last week:
Overwhelming response against Chaffetz bill
What I love about this article are the interviews they did with hunters and fishermen who live in these rural areas and use these "disposable lands" for both work and play. They couldn't believe anyone would even think to just give it all away! But Chaffetz's proposed land grab was so brazen and his contempt for the American public so obvious, the backlash was immediate and intense. And I'm pretty certain it will continue.
If someone in Congress wants to propose selling public land to raise money, then let's talk about how that might be done in the full light of day, with input from the public and extreme vetting of potential buyers. But I doubt that's going to happen. Paying a fair price for the land isn't what Chaffetz's business partners (and campaign donors) had in mind.
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Lost Arbor Gathering my things
Joined: 14 Mar 2015 Posts: 25 | TRs | Pics
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Lost Arbor
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Fri Feb 03, 2017 8:41 pm
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Great news. This type of legislation shows up on a fairly regular basis. Stay diligent, and make your voice heard if you want to see public lands stay that way. It's our land, friends.
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Jake Neiffer Member
Joined: 07 Dec 2011 Posts: 825 | TRs | Pics Location: Lexington, OR |
fairweather friend- good points, I see where you are coming from. I'm not in favor of the Chaffetz bill or a sell off. But I'm frustrated by the conditions of many public lands. What I'm trying to say I guess is if States are better able to manage certain pieces of land I would be in favor of some land transfers, even if it meant less public access.
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cefire Member
Joined: 03 Feb 2010 Posts: 523 | TRs | Pics
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Sat Feb 04, 2017 2:11 pm
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Jake Neiffer wrote: | fairweather friend- good points, I see where you are coming from. I'm not in favor of the Chaffetz bill or a sell off. But I'm frustrated by the conditions of many public lands. What I'm trying to say I guess is if States are better able to manage certain pieces of land I would be in favor of some land transfers, even if it meant less public access. |
Hey Jake, when you say you're frustrated by the conditions of many public lands - what does this mean?
Is it related to the physical conditions (e.g., forest ecology), public access (e.g., passes/permits), or something else?
Just seeking clarification.
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Jake Neiffer Member
Joined: 07 Dec 2011 Posts: 825 | TRs | Pics Location: Lexington, OR |
Forest ecology. Maybe its fresh in my mind because I was working on a thinning project before the snow came this year. Its also more glaring on the eastside because the stock densities or so much more out of whack than in the wetter areas. I hate to be a downer but it's just... kinda depressing driving thru the woods over here.
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moonspots Happy Curmudgeon
Joined: 03 Feb 2007 Posts: 2456 | TRs | Pics Location: North Dakota |
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Sun Feb 05, 2017 9:16 am
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Jake Neiffer wrote: | I guess is if States are better able to manage certain pieces of land I would be in favor of some land transfers, even if it meant less public access. |
No! Leave public access to the land as it is (wilderness without all the highways and "visitor's centers"). Look at the mess they've made of yellowstone NP, and Mt Rushmore - pathetic.... IMHO, that is.
"Out, OUT you demons of Stupidity"! - St Dogbert, patron Saint of Technology
"Out, OUT you demons of Stupidity"! - St Dogbert, patron Saint of Technology
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drm Member
Joined: 24 Feb 2007 Posts: 1376 | TRs | Pics Location: The Dalles, OR |
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Tue Feb 07, 2017 4:42 pm
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Patagonia and Black Diamond have pulled out of the Outdoor Retailer trade show in Salt Lake City due to the Utah governor's signing a resolution calling for the president to cancel the Bear Ears national monument declaration. They had said a while back that they would do so if the state moved forward with the resolution, which it just did, and say that they expect other retailers to pull out too. The organizers of the event say they will consider a different location next year - I think it's always been in SLC.
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DigitalJanitor Dirt hippie
Joined: 20 May 2012 Posts: 792 | TRs | Pics
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Seventy2002 Member
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fairweather friend Member
Joined: 31 May 2012 Posts: 322 | TRs | Pics Location: Not so dispersed |
Just a little update to shine some light on how Chaffetz and his ilk operate: Remember when Chaffetz said he was going to remove his "land disposal" bill from the legislative slate? If you don't recall, here's the story in the Denver Post That was back on February 2.
Well, on Feb. 10, HR 621 was referred to the House Subcommittee on Federal Lands. Here's the link in Congress.gov
So, no, Chaffetz did not kill the bill. It's still alive and making its way through the House. What a lying bucket of slime! And BTW, this is the FIFTH TIME Chaffetz has introduced this bill in recent years. It's not going away, so please stay vigilant and don't believe a word he says. My personal belief is that Republicans in Congress will advance this kind of extremely unpopular legislation as quietly as possible, then rush to pass it all when the country is facing some sort of acute crisis... a new war, a terrorist attack, whatever. There is simply too much opposition across the political spectrum for it to happen any other way.
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Malachai Constant Member
Joined: 13 Jan 2002 Posts: 16092 | TRs | Pics Location: Back Again Like A Bad Penny |
The other trick is to tack it on to "must pass" or popular legislation to get it past the POTUS, of course the last gambit is no longer needed.
"You do not laugh when you look at the mountains, or when you look at the sea." Lafcadio Hearn
"You do not laugh when you look at the mountains, or when you look at the sea." Lafcadio Hearn
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fairweather friend Member
Joined: 31 May 2012 Posts: 322 | TRs | Pics Location: Not so dispersed |
Yep, I can see it go down that way, too. This is why everyone needs to know this bill hasn't died, and to let your House Rep know that if they vote for it, there will be hell to pay. In the meantime, just assume this bill is going to keep advancing like a zombie on TWD.
I just googled the House Subcommittee on Federal Lands and here's their webpage: Subcommitte on Federal Lands
From their webpage, you learn that this subcommittee is composed of 21 members: 12 Republicans and 9 Democrats. It is chaired by Tom McClintock (R) from CA-4. Please check out the member list and see if your rep is in the group. A letter or call from a constituent sends a more powerful message.
Below is their mission statement:
Quote: | The Subcommittee on Federal Lands is responsible for all matters related to the National Park System, U.S. Forests, public lands, and national monuments.
Republicans on the Subcommittee are working to expand and protect opportunities for all Americans to enjoy our beautiful public lands, ensuring they are available for recreational opportunities and economic development. Our goal is to ensure that we use our resources wisely so we can provide for our families today while leaving our land in even better shape for future generation of Americans. |
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fairweather friend Member
Joined: 31 May 2012 Posts: 322 | TRs | Pics Location: Not so dispersed |
This is crazy! I just read an article on Huffington Post about how conservationists and hunters and fisherman killed Chaffetz bill HR 621. As I posted above, the bill is not dead and is currently making its way through the House. I wrote to the author of the article and contacted every single person that he cited in the article (mainly presidents of various groups of hunters, fisherman, conservationists, etc.)
Everybody is in a rush to proclaim victory and yet the bill is still alive and kicking in the House.
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