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PostTue Mar 07, 2017 1:43 pm 
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zephyr wrote:
Stefan wrote:
Slednecks don't need no roads!
Where's there's water...there's a sledneck!

Man, that's depressing.      ~z
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My "tow rig" is an old Honda civic that I welded a hitch onto, and the trailer I got for free from my cousin.

this sounds like a very safe set up.
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PostTue Mar 07, 2017 8:03 pm 
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Backpacker Joe wrote:

Im sorry, but a seasonal condition does NOT change the fact that its a road!

Yes it does. The actual road is buried under six feet of snow.

A typical forest road is not closed based on depth (there are regions where they are, and if they're groomed they're closed. Almost all forest roads east of the crest are closed to wheeled vehicles while almost all forest roads west of the crest are open year round as legal roads). As if anyone actually cares, Smithbrook is listed as a road where you must call the ranger station to see if it's open, which is a very rare condition for a road.

6 feet of snow, who cares. If a road is open, I can almost guarantee a wheeled vehicle has been to the end of the road this winter. It is not reasonable to assume a road is closed because your vehicle cannot get to the end. It's a relatively common 4x4 activity (perfectly legal) to drive up forest roads that are not closed. Here I was side-hilling up a forest road at about 4100ft last month in a highway capable daily-driver vehicle.


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PostTue Mar 07, 2017 8:18 pm 
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so is smith brook road typically closed in the winter, then?  This activity looks like it would f up the road even for snomos
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PostTue Mar 07, 2017 8:45 pm 
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christensent wrote:
Just_Some_Hiker wrote:
Backpacker Joe wrote:

Im sorry, but a seasonal condition does NOT change the fact that its a road!

Yes it does. The actual road is buried under six feet of snow.

A typical forest road is not closed based on depth

I didn't say it was closed. I said it was buried. As in the condition of the road has indeed changed based on the season. It should be closed, in my opinion.

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6 feet of snow, who cares. If a road is open, I can almost guarantee a wheeled vehicle has been to the end of the road this winter. It is not reasonable to assume a road is closed

Again, I never said it was closed. I merely hold the opinion that Smithbrook in particular should be closed to motorized vehicles in the winter months due to the high volume of foot traffic that it has.

It's interesting that you advocate for slednecks when they probably dislike snow-wheelers more than skiers dislike slednecks.
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PostTue Mar 07, 2017 8:46 pm 
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I can't imagine it's a very good place to start from with a snowmobile with the highway snowplows building a huge wall that's difficult enough to get up on foot.
A road that's always been off limits to machine travel has been the Lake Kelcema road off the Mountain Loop.  As I mentioned earlier, Smithbrook used to have the same status.
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PostTue Mar 07, 2017 9:50 pm 
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I have only been on smithbrook a few times in the winter, and there were a lot of sleds both times...
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PostWed Mar 08, 2017 5:22 am 
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Hi Schroder,
It is true the snowblower creates a 6 foot wall but the snowmobilers create a ramp through it early on and maintain it throughout the winter after the most recent passes by the blower.

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PostWed Mar 08, 2017 10:59 am 
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Was snowmobiling actually  prohibited at some point in  the past, or was  it just  that  people hadn't arrived at this ramp-building habit until  recent years?

I can imagine folks with  shovels repeatedly undoing the ramp in something akin to  the  "stereo wars" I used to see happen in  a college dormitory...
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hikersarenumber1 wrote:
This post, to me, says bad.  There are plenty of coyotes and assisting their hunting is a bad thing...  actually, unless we are mitigating something we already f'ed up, assisting wildlife is, as a general rule, "bad".


I'm trying to be logical but not make a judgement.  That's because the complaint was about legal snowmobile use on a road, there are jerks in EVERY aspect of life--we tend to remember the jerks and not the normal people, and yes, there may actually be a bit of an impact on Lynx up in the northern part of the state--IF snowmobiles get off the roads in that area.

Hikers F up wildlife also.  A few years ago, a couple of game wardens were having to hike up into the Goat Rocks to kill a bear that hikers had been feeding.  The bear was getting more aggressive towards people.

Hikers cause erosion, hikers pollute water, etc.  Everybody makes a detrimental impact.  Might as well kill yourself if you want to have no neutral effect and be sure and wear biodegradable clothing or be naked when you do that. 

What you all can do is discourage your friends and others from moving here.  Send them to Colorado, or Montana, or anywhere else.  We don't need more "growth".

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Most folks seem to get along OK on the shared part of the South Loup Loup Summit.



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Look, here's the deal. You get a 'bile up to speed you better watch for people skiing! Be careful going around those corners, saw a guy lose his 'bile once slipping big. He had to bail!

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PostWed Mar 08, 2017 4:57 pm 
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treeswarper wrote:
hikersarenumber1 wrote:
This post, to me, says bad.  There are plenty of coyotes and assisting their hunting is a bad thing...  actually, unless we are mitigating something we already f'ed up, assisting wildlife is, as a general rule, "bad".


I'm trying to be logical but not make a judgement.  That's because the complaint was about legal snowmobile use on a road, there are jerks in EVERY aspect of life--we tend to remember the jerks and not the normal people, and yes, there may actually be a bit of an impact on Lynx up in the northern part of the state--IF snowmobiles get off the roads in that area.

Hikers F up wildlife also.  A few years ago, a couple of game wardens were having to hike up into the Goat Rocks to kill a bear that hikers had been feeding.  The bear was getting more aggressive towards people.

Hikers cause erosion, hikers pollute water, etc.  Everybody makes a detrimental impact.  Might as well kill yourself if you want to have no neutral effect and be sure and wear biodegradable clothing or be naked when you do that. 

What you all can do is discourage your friends and others from moving here.  Send them to Colorado, or Montana, or anywhere else.  We don't need more "growth".

its the amount of impact.  I have no problem with having snowmobile areas like there are off road areas and I would have no problem with snowmobiles on most roads if the were policed to stay out of places they are not allowed.. which they arent..
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PostWed Mar 08, 2017 5:47 pm 
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Well, if you want more "policing" in areas, how do you plan to fund that?  Higher fees?

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PostWed Mar 08, 2017 6:26 pm 
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Yep.  Snowmobiles have proven to need baby sitters and should pay a fee to cover them.
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