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neek Member
Joined: 12 Sep 2011 Posts: 2335 | TRs | Pics Location: Seattle, WA |
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Tue Nov 28, 2017 7:10 am
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Chico wrote: | Mine were Apple II based systems |
I first started dialing BBS's from my IIe.
Eventually ran my own under DOS/Desqview.
Then it all changed with Slackware and a hacked eskimo account...
These days, despite popular opinion, I'm not convinced quality of life is proportional to Internet bandwidth.
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DigitalJanitor Dirt hippie
Joined: 20 May 2012 Posts: 792 | TRs | Pics
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Joey verrry senior member
Joined: 05 Jun 2005 Posts: 2797 | TRs | Pics Location: Redmond |
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Wed Nov 29, 2017 12:32 pm
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Good point about double checking internet availability. Instead of just relying on the internet providers I would talk to the neighbors.
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Token Civilian Member
Joined: 02 Sep 2010 Posts: 590 | TRs | Pics
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IDK - not having to deal with Com-bast**d seems to me to be a feature, not a bug.
I'd be more likely to sell if I HAD to deal with them.
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joker seeker
Joined: 12 Aug 2006 Posts: 7953 | TRs | Pics Location: state of confusion |
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Wed Nov 29, 2017 1:07 pm
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neek wrote: | These days, despite popular opinion, I'm not convinced quality of life is proportional to Internet bandwidth. |
Depends on what you want it for. When I was doing a lot of odd-hours international work video calls, it was a game-changer to shift from ADSL to cable (when Comcast finally decided to run the cable down our dirt lane for free instead of for the $50K they'd quoted me a few years earlier). It also made it much more viable to do work-from-home that involved corpnet-intensive activities. For people who are doing things like updating media-intensive web sites or such, also a game changer.
However, as a means to broaden our video viewing options beyond what our TV antenna pulls in, a fair argument could be made in the reverse.
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Brian Curtis Trail Blazer/HiLaker
Joined: 16 Dec 2001 Posts: 1696 | TRs | Pics Location: Silverdale, WA |
Schroder wrote: | I guess I should quit complaining about outages for a couple of hours a week here at the end of the line. I have 105.66 download and 6.27 upload speed with Wave. |
Yeah, that's basically what I get with Wave, too. Reliability has been much better recently for us.
Note that the Xfinity speed text linked earlier is in Arkansas and, at least for me, had a fair amount of latency and gave me slower results then I can get from local servers. Other testing services will find the best testing server for your location:
Speedtest.net (Beta, non-Flash version)
Speakeasy
Fast.com (Netflix). Download only.
that elitist from silverdale wanted to tell me that all carnes are bad--Studebaker Hoch
that elitist from silverdale wanted to tell me that all carnes are bad--Studebaker Hoch
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CC cascade curmudgeon
Joined: 13 Sep 2006 Posts: 647 | TRs | Pics
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Thu Nov 30, 2017 3:55 pm
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MtnGoat wrote: | Gorge net promises 1.5 Mbit but I rarely see that rate, usually I clock in at 1.2 Mbit at best, and that's only if the clowns farther up the road aren't binge watching Netflix. The impact of the after work till 11ish internet usage patterns are real obvious here.
http://speedtest.xfinity.com/
I have zero cell at home. Century Clunk's office is one floor below me at work. |
Chelan county PUD is building out its fiber network (up to 1 Gbps); it will eventually reach 95% of residences in county. We also have second cheapest electric rates in US, 2.7 cents/kwh (Grant county PUD has cheapest). Don't you just hate it when Socialism works.
First your legs go, then you lose your reflexes, then you lose your friends. Willy Pep
First your legs go, then you lose your reflexes, then you lose your friends. Willy Pep
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Chico Member
Joined: 30 Nov 2012 Posts: 2500 | TRs | Pics Location: Lacey |
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Thu Nov 30, 2017 5:23 pm
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CC wrote: | We also have second cheapest electric rates in US, 2.7 cents/kwh (Grant county PUD has cheapest). Don't you just hate it when Socialism works. |
Just wait. All the new "cloud" computer centers will help to bring the rates in line with the rest of us.
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MtnGoat Member
Joined: 17 Dec 2001 Posts: 11992 | TRs | Pics Location: Lyle, WA |
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Thu Nov 30, 2017 6:01 pm
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CC wrote: | Chelan county PUD is building out its fiber network (up to 1 Gbps); it will eventually reach 95% of residences in county. We also have second cheapest electric rates in US, 2.7 cents/kwh (Grant county PUD has cheapest). Don't you just hate it when Socialism works. |
If being subsidized is 'working', sure do.
Diplomacy is the art of saying 'Nice doggie' until you can find a rock. - Will Rogers
Diplomacy is the art of saying 'Nice doggie' until you can find a rock. - Will Rogers
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Randito Snarky Member
Joined: 27 Jul 2008 Posts: 9512 | TRs | Pics Location: Bellevue at the moment. |
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Thu Nov 30, 2017 6:51 pm
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Chico wrote: | CC wrote: | We also have second cheapest electric rates in US, 2.7 cents/kwh (Grant county PUD has cheapest). Don't you just hate it when Socialism works. |
Just wait. All the new "cloud" computer centers will help to bring the rates in line with the rest of us. |
MSFT has been building data centers out there for over a decade. Aluminum smelters were built and operated along the Columbia during WWII to supply aluminum for the war effort and utilize the cheap electrons from Grand Colulee. As aircraft construction moves toward composite and away from aluminum demand by aluminum shelters has dropped -- one of the reasons that data centers are being built there.
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CC cascade curmudgeon
Joined: 13 Sep 2006 Posts: 647 | TRs | Pics
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Thu Nov 30, 2017 11:05 pm
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MtnGoat wrote: | CC wrote: | Chelan county PUD is building out its fiber network (up to 1 Gbps); it will eventually reach 95% of residences in county. We also have second cheapest electric rates in US, 2.7 cents/kwh (Grant county PUD has cheapest). Don't you just hate it when Socialism works. |
If being subsidized is 'working', sure do. |
How is Chelan PUD subsidized?
First your legs go, then you lose your reflexes, then you lose your friends. Willy Pep
First your legs go, then you lose your reflexes, then you lose your friends. Willy Pep
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CC cascade curmudgeon
Joined: 13 Sep 2006 Posts: 647 | TRs | Pics
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Thu Nov 30, 2017 11:14 pm
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RandyHiker wrote: | luminum smelters were built and operated along the Columbia during WWII to supply aluminum for the war effort and utilize the cheap electrons from Grand Colulee. As aircraft construction moves toward composite and away from aluminum demand by aluminum shelters has dropped -- one of the reasons that data centers are being built there. |
Alcoa smelter at Rock Island used Chelan PUD power, it has its own dams. Main reason smelter closed is that it is outdated and inefficient.
First your legs go, then you lose your reflexes, then you lose your friends. Willy Pep
First your legs go, then you lose your reflexes, then you lose your friends. Willy Pep
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Pyrites Member
Joined: 16 Sep 2014 Posts: 1884 | TRs | Pics Location: South Sound |
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Fri Dec 01, 2017 12:51 am
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The aluminum smelters at Longview and Spokane paid really low rate for interruptible power. Not so good when times came that there was no longer an excess of power. Everyone knows the U.S. sent large numbers of aircraft to the Soviets through Alberta, the Yukon, and Alaska. But hundreds of thousands of tons of aluminum were sent Lend Lease to the USSR too.
I don’t know that aircraft are a big part of the aluminum market now. Beer cans in 1944 were varnished steel. Not anymore.
Keep Calm and Carry On?
Heck No.
Stay Excited and Get Outside!
Keep Calm and Carry On?
Heck No.
Stay Excited and Get Outside!
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Token Civilian Member
Joined: 02 Sep 2010 Posts: 590 | TRs | Pics
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CC wrote: | How is Chelan PUD subsidized? |
In general, any time a fungible good that isn't trapped in the local market is sold below open market price, that's a defacto subsidy.
Chelan PUD could be selling that juice in Seattle at 7-8 cents (wholesale), or there about.
Example that isn't local:
See any mid-east oil kingdom where gasoline is sold domestically at a fraction of world market rate. Not because it's trapped in the local market, but because that is an act of policy to keep the locals happy and forgo the revenue that could be had selling it to others who would willingly pay more for it.
http://www.globalpetrolprices.com/gasoline_prices/
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Randito Snarky Member
Joined: 27 Jul 2008 Posts: 9512 | TRs | Pics Location: Bellevue at the moment. |
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Fri Dec 01, 2017 9:19 am
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CC wrote: | RandyHiker wrote: | luminum smelters were built and operated along the Columbia during WWII to supply aluminum for the war effort and utilize the cheap electrons from Grand Colulee. As aircraft construction moves toward composite and away from aluminum demand by aluminum shelters has dropped -- one of the reasons that data centers are being built there. |
Alcoa smelter at Rock Island used Chelan PUD power, it has its own dams. Main reason smelter closed is that it is outdated and inefficient. |
The blue represents new production from smelters.
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