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Abert Member
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Tue Nov 28, 2017 5:43 pm
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So where is the highest point of the mountain? Bivouac.com, Peakbagger and some trip reports on this site say it's in Canada. ListsofJohn says it's in the US. The maps (the ones that I've seen, at least) and the new Andrew Kirmse prominence database say it's in the US.
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Randito Snarky Member
Joined: 27 Jul 2008 Posts: 9514 | TRs | Pics Location: Bellevue at the moment. |
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Tue Nov 28, 2017 7:30 pm
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Not sure why there is confusion:
Armstrong
And Bivouac.com entry says Quote: | The main summit is in the US |
There is some babbling about summit cairns -- but those don't really count a the height of the mountain eh? -- I mean if the height can be changed by building cairns -- it's flat.
Besides wandering around in the flattish, tundraish summit region is kinda fun and CBP didn't seem to care about us wandering over and back in the area around Monument 104 when we were up there in 2011
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Stefan Member
Joined: 17 Dec 2001 Posts: 5093 | TRs | Pics
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Wed Nov 29, 2017 1:35 pm
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I agree too that Canada point is higher when you are there.
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Gimpilator infinity/21M
Joined: 12 Oct 2006 Posts: 1684 | TRs | Pics Location: Edmonds, WA |
When in doubt, better to do both. Lots of peaks have nearly equal height summits, but far apart. I can think of a handful in WA and many more around the country. You'll feel better not leaving any doubt.
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raising3hikers Member
Joined: 21 Sep 2007 Posts: 2344 | TRs | Pics Location: Edmonds, Wa |
Stefan wrote: | I agree too that Canada point is higher when you are there. |
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mike Member
Joined: 09 Jul 2004 Posts: 6401 | TRs | Pics Location: SJIsl |
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Wed Nov 29, 2017 7:20 pm
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cartman Member
Joined: 20 Feb 2007 Posts: 2800 | TRs | Pics Location: Fremont |
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Thu Nov 30, 2017 9:59 am
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Having been there and making certain I went to the highest point, the summit is in Canada about 100 yards north of the pylon. It's a short class 2/3 scramble up a rocky bit. I wandered around the very broad summit plateau just to confirm there was nothing higher from any other perspective, and there isn't. The map Randyhiker references is wrong.
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DIYSteve seeking hygge
Joined: 06 Mar 2007 Posts: 12655 | TRs | Pics Location: here now |
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Thu Nov 30, 2017 10:27 am
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Maybe the U.S. map elevation is incorrect (too high) or maybe the Canadian map elevation mark is incorrect (too low). More likely, both are incorrect. Surveying on the Z axis in wilderness is an imprecise exercise. Marking high points to single digits (meters or feet) is deceptive precision because there's no way surveying methods used to make these maps accurately resolve to 1 meter (or in the case of most U.S. maps, 1 foot) on the Z axis.
The Canadian and U.S. respective elevation marks resulted from reference to two different control points. Surveyors and we attorneys who handle boundary line disputes have seen lots of this (although usually on XY axis), e.g., adjacent lots, each a part of different contiguous plats, each surveyed with reference to different control points. (Sometimes they manifest in an overlap, while other times they result in a "no mans land.")
This is a good reminder that elevation markings are only as good as the control points and limits of measurement methods used to determine elevation.
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BigBrunyon Member
Joined: 19 Mar 2015 Posts: 1459 | TRs | Pics Location: the fitness gyms!! |
US is higher in my book! US is always higher when theres a dispute!!!!
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Randito Snarky Member
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Thu Nov 30, 2017 2:50 pm
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If GPS measurements indeed show the Canuck high point higher, #45 could call in an air strike and ensure that the US is always #1. What could go wrong?
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ale_capone Member
Joined: 22 Sep 2009 Posts: 720 | TRs | Pics
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Speaking of monuments, and which is really the tallest..
The new cascadian monolith in Seattle.. tallest building?
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Cyclopath Faster than light
Joined: 20 Mar 2012 Posts: 7758 | TRs | Pics Location: Seattle |
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Fri Dec 01, 2017 9:34 am
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RandyHiker wrote: | I mean if the height can be changed by building cairns -- it's flat. |
Huh? Am I misunderstanding something here? You could build a 10 foot cairn on the top of Everest and it would be 10 feet higher.
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RichP Member
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Fri Dec 01, 2017 9:54 am
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pcg Member
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Fri Dec 01, 2017 10:30 am
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I've never wandered across the border, but have wondered.. Is there an established protocol for legally doing so in the backcountry?
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RichP Member
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Fri Dec 01, 2017 11:17 am
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pcg wrote: | I've never wandered across the border, but have wondered.. Is there an established protocol for legally doing so in the backcountry? |
I'm not sure about that. How do PCT hikers do this legally?
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