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PostMon Jan 22, 2018 9:47 am 
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There's nothing subjective about WP/Breathable...nonexistent is nonexistent.† smile.gif

Sort of like Gore-tex liners in boots keeping your feet dry. For me (and lots of other people) it just makes them instantly wet from sweating. The best way to keep my feet dry in dry weather is to wear shoes with some kind of mesh uppers. In wet or slushy conditions I am pretty much resigned to wet feet.
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PostSat Mar 03, 2018 11:51 pm 
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I know people love them, but I never found any osprey bags comfortable to me, but maybe this one will be different

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PostSun Mar 04, 2018 12:04 am 
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Prefer ULA or if money is no object McHale.

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PostWed Mar 21, 2018 6:12 pm 
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I happened to be in Arlberg Sports in Wenatchee today and tried on a sub two pound Osprey Levity 60 medium backpack. I liked the way it rode on my back and the feel of the shoulder and hit belts. The build and material seemed a bit delicate and flimsy. And, the hip and shoulder strap pockets are missing. But it is lite for a 60 liter pack (1.95 lbs)!
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PostWed Mar 21, 2018 7:49 pm 
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Gear Junkie just did a live video review of the backpack while hiking and thought the pack was nice, but durability is still to be determined there are some good alternatives out there like the MLD Prophet, HMG Southwestern, and my current girlfriend the UD Fastpack 45L at 1 lb. 10 oz., a few have suggested sticking with the Exos series, but they seemed to have gained a little weight. I just recently looked at the Six Moon Designs Flight 30 which is a preorder but that pack looks really nice.

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PostWed Mar 21, 2018 8:15 pm 
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I don't think I would ever want/or need a 60L pack but it was the only one they had in stock (and they just got it yesterday). Adam down there told me the main shipment will be coming in in shortly and will include different sizes. The HMG Southwest has been my main pack for years and it used to be sub two pound. But every time I walk by my sewing machine my hand starts twitching and I feel the need to create another add-on so I am not sure it is even a liteweight pack any longer!
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PostFri Mar 23, 2018 12:23 pm 
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with claims like that you gotta come in quite a bit lighter than 1.9lbs  shakehead.gif
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PostFri Mar 23, 2018 6:48 pm 
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I know people love them, but I never found any osprey bags comfortable to me, but maybe this one will be different

I would agree that I donít find Osprey packs comfortable. I used to have an Osprey, which I bought since I had heard good things about their products, only to discover that after using the pack for a season that it was uncomfortable to wear if I had more that 15 lbs in it. Since I usually carry camera gear the Osprey didnít cut it for me, so I got rid of it and bought a Deuter that was similar to the Osprey I had and a friend recommended I try Deuter. The Deuter is constructed differently than the Osprey (and it weighs the same as the Deuter when empty) and it carries weight much better and distributes the weight in the pack evenly between my hips and shoulders.

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PostFri Mar 23, 2018 8:20 pm 
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I did get down to the gear store selling the new packs very light and would probably be ok for trail hiking a light pack needs light gear to maximize itís benefit but I doubt it would challenge the current pecking order of UL packs they could do better but cottage packs donít have the established footprint or marketing Osprey has so this pack will probably do well overall. Hopefully they make improvemts in version 2.0

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PostFri Mar 30, 2018 12:14 pm 
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wildernessed wrote:
they could do better but cottage packs donít have the established footprint or marketing Osprey has so this pack will probably do well overall

The advantage with a standard gear makers vs cottage industry is you can actually go down and try it on. Osprey in particular has that ALLMighty guarantee as well. Sending packs back and forth to cottage gear makers is a PITA. Many people settle for packs that don't work for them just for that reason. For instance, I discovered that ULA packs just don't work for me. I really wanted it to but it would not. Fortunately I was borrowing a friends ULA pack and did not have to spend time and money to discover that for myself.

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PostSun Apr 08, 2018 6:17 pm 
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Looks pretty good.  Although once you've gone McHale its hard to look at anything else. hockeygrin.gif

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PostSun Apr 08, 2018 6:39 pm 
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Backpacker Joe wrote:
Looks pretty good.  Although once you've gone McHale its hard to look at anything else. hockeygrin.gif

🤔After all these years I have to believe your getting kick backs from them !

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Backpacker Joe wrote:
Looks pretty good.  Although once you've gone McHale its hard to look at anything else. hockeygrin.gif

🤔After all these years I have to believe your getting kick backs from them !

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PostTue Apr 24, 2018 10:12 am 
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Tried on the new Levity and Exos 45 yesterday and thought the Exos felt more comfortable. Itís hard to embrace a 2lb. 8 oz. pack after wearing a 1lb. 8oz. pack in the similarly designed Zpacks Arcblast.

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wildernessed wrote:
Tried on the new Levity and Exos 45 yesterday and thought the Exos felt more comfortable. Itís hard to embrace a 2lb. 8 oz. pack after wearing a 1lb. 8oz. pack in the similarly designed Zpacks Arcblast.

something I really like about my Zpacks Arc Haul is that one can eliminate the "arc" if one needs the pack to be more securely strapped to one's back.  The "arc" is great when walking down a nice trail, keeps my back cooler and is very comfortable, but is a little loosy-goosy for off trail scrambling (why I got the zip version - no mesh to get caught in the brush).  Easy solution; release the "arc" and maybe alter the torso length a little and now one has a more standard framed backpack that is very close to one's back...at 1.5lbs...actually with the add ons I have it's closer to 2lbs.

With the Osprey one can not release the "arc" - it is permanent, the pack will always be off the back on a trampoline with the center of gravity away from one's body.  I like the versatility as there is usually a good bit of trail hiking before one starts the off trail explorations.  The adjustments are simple and easy.

My biggest issue with the Osprey Levity and Exos is the torso length doesn't work for me, even the large is too short and forces the weight onto my shoulders.  I got the tall version of the zpacks, fits just exactly perfect with room to spare...and I'm 5'11".

I use an Osprey Atmos AG50 if I need to be a 40lb hauling Sherpa.  My backpack evolution has been Camptrails Catskill->North Face Snow Leopard->Gregory Baltoro 75->Osprey AG50->Zpacks Arc Haul.  I learned to carry far less crap by shrinking the size of my packs until I was ready for an ultra lite pack.

I don't plan on doing any thru hiking, just regional 5-7 night adventurers.

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