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cascadeclimber Member
Joined: 04 Sep 2006 Posts: 1427 | TRs | Pics
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I noticed that the Paradise lot is empty and unplowed today. The MORA Twitter feed says nothing since yesterday.
I checked around and it turns out that the National Parks, OUR National Parks, have explicit direction from Zinke to not use the word "closed" or to post status'.
I don't know yet if the Longmire gate is open or how other parks are affected, but at the very minimum services are CLOSED and at least portions of our parks are CLOSED.
I'd say check before you go, but with an active "lack of information" campaign, I'm not sure that's even possible.
So here we are...sigh.
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hbb Member
Joined: 06 Aug 2009 Posts: 402 | TRs | Pics
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Sat Jan 20, 2018 1:46 pm
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The Longmire webcam shows lots of cars and folks wandering around. No signs of any plowing activity at Paradise, however.
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reststep Member
Joined: 17 Dec 2001 Posts: 4757 | TRs | Pics
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reststep
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Sat Jan 20, 2018 2:09 pm
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Interesting, Olympic National Park posted a closure notice on their Hurricane Ridge twitter feed.
"The mountains are calling and I must go." - John Muir
"The mountains are calling and I must go." - John Muir
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Bernardo Member
Joined: 08 Feb 2010 Posts: 2174 | TRs | Pics Location: out and about in the world |
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Bernardo
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Sat Jan 20, 2018 3:35 pm
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Guidelines from Department of Interior call for the parks to remain as accessible as possible during the shutdown. Seems like a very reasonable policy given the circumstances.
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natural_log Member
Joined: 19 Oct 2015 Posts: 49 | TRs | Pics Location: Portland, OR |
I've seen a few social media posts from parks/forest explaining what to expect and to use at your own risk (more so than usual). Sounds like MORA didn't do something like that, but agree that folks should see what they can sleuth out on facebook/twitter/instagram to see if there's anything.
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Bernardo Member
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Sat Jan 20, 2018 5:34 pm
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You think this is going to last that long? Maybe. It was 16 days in 2013.
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cascadeclimber Member
Joined: 04 Sep 2006 Posts: 1427 | TRs | Pics
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They've also been ordered to not disseminate the directive from Zinke telling them to not use the word "closed". Seems like a good opportunity to exercise FOIA rights.
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jinx'sboy Member
Joined: 30 Jul 2008 Posts: 926 | TRs | Pics Location: on a great circle route |
Bernardo wrote: | You think this is going to last that long? Maybe. It was 16 days in 2013. |
It was 3 weeks in 1995, courtesy of Newt Gingrich and the Republican win in '94.
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mb Member
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Sat Jan 20, 2018 7:02 pm
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but this is different, no? last time they closed them in the sense that what resources they had were used to chase people out of the parks. this time they are closed in the sense that they're doing no work (including possibly not unlocking gates), but if you can get in they won't kick you out.
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MyFootHurts Huge Member
Joined: 22 Nov 2011 Posts: 912 | TRs | Pics Location: Kekistan |
mb wrote: | but this is different, no? last time they closed them in the sense that what resources they had were used to chase people out of the parks. this time they are closed in the sense that they're doing no work (including possibly not unlocking gates), but if you can get in they won't kick you out. |
Interesting that in 2013 shutdown the obama administration hired extra security to keep people out and even give them tickets for parking along the road to take a photograph.
This administration is basically saying you're welcome to go on in and enjoy your public land, but there's no services and you're on your own. What a fascist!
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Chief Joseph Member
Joined: 10 Nov 2007 Posts: 7676 | TRs | Pics Location: Verlot-Priest Lake |
Jeff wrote: | I wonder if that means I can go camping without a permit next weekend.
At least they have an excuse not to plow the road. |
Right and can I go out and cut some firewood without a permit?
Go placidly amid the noise and waste, and remember what comfort there may be in owning a piece thereof.
Go placidly amid the noise and waste, and remember what comfort there may be in owning a piece thereof.
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xrp Tactical Backpacker
Joined: 01 May 2012 Posts: 369 | TRs | Pics
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Sat Jan 20, 2018 8:45 pm
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Chief Joseph wrote: | Right and can I go out and cut some firewood without a permit? |
I don't know, CAN you? Are you physically capable of completing such a task?
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kbatku Questionable hiker
Joined: 17 Sep 2007 Posts: 3330 | TRs | Pics Location: Yaquima |
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Sat Jan 20, 2018 9:11 pm
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Well, anything goes I guess. I'm going to take my sled to Mt. Rainier and attempt the first winter solo snowmobile summit of Mt. Rainier. Gotta do it, it's in my blood
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Chief Joseph Member
Joined: 10 Nov 2007 Posts: 7676 | TRs | Pics Location: Verlot-Priest Lake |
xrp wrote: | Chief Joseph wrote: | Right and can I go out and cut some firewood without a permit? |
I don't know, CAN you? Are you physically capable of completing such a task? |
Sure, are you capable of not being a smartass?
Go placidly amid the noise and waste, and remember what comfort there may be in owning a piece thereof.
Go placidly amid the noise and waste, and remember what comfort there may be in owning a piece thereof.
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schifferj Member
Joined: 07 Mar 2015 Posts: 224 | TRs | Pics Location: 509 |
Jeff wrote: | I wonder if that means I can go camping without a permit next weekend. |
When we had the last closure, I believe in 2013, when the closures were "weaponized" the Enchantments Lakes were closed - at least the permitting process was closed. I enjoyed several nights there - only time I've been able to get a permit. Too bad this one's in the middle of the winter or I'd be going back.
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