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PostThu Mar 29, 2018 12:38 pm 
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be careful of Big Sky. Unless they have changed the experience of purchasing anything from them can be a challenging experience.

They have changed.  I bought a 2P Chinook and it showed up with one of the external tie downs missing.  They replaced it very promptly.  No drama.  They do leave it up to you to decide which features you want or need.

I use that tent as a palatial one person but it has lots of room for two.  Sub 4lbs, two doors and bomb proof. Semi-freestanding, as in you will need to stake it down in questionable weather and to get 100% of the floor space, but it stands freely w/o stakes.

They sell a one person version, and many other really cool designed tents.

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I got blasted by wind and rain all night long at the top of Grand Pass in the ONP last August.  Totally exposed and in the open, it handled it just great.

Then I got dumped on for 3 days, not a drop on me, and very little in the way of condensation - with two people stuck inside.

And for fair weather forecasts you can leave one pole at home and have an even lighter tent.  I've been using it for several years now and still consider it the perfect tent for my, mainly summer, uses.  I like to set up camp on exposed, high alpine areas, so wind was my main concern.  I test drove several other tents in the same weight range and all failed miserably in extremely windy situations (the top of Grand Pass is a good test kitchen).  The Chinook stood strong in all the circumstances I have faced.

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PostThu Mar 29, 2018 12:38 pm 
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ProTrail replaces Squall. Some differences: Squall had hoop at foot, PT has vertical pole. PT is longer and taller. PT has 2 extra tieouts on each side. PT bathtub floor is relatively narrower, i.e., farther inside from side edge of canopy. Squall beak replaced by PT split flat entry closure. Squall foot half-beak replaced by flat closure/overhang canopy. PT has more venting at foot. Most of the changes appear to address Squall problem re wind-carried moisture at ground level in stormy conditions.
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PostThu Mar 29, 2018 2:51 pm 
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There's a Big Agnes Fly Creek HV UL 2 for sale right now on the Trading Post. Only one door, but it is free-standing.

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PostThu Mar 29, 2018 3:15 pm 
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The Tarptent Protrail looks very similar to the Squall 2 which was a collaboration between Henry Shires (Tarptent) and Glen Peski (Gossamer Gear) back in 2010.  That tent was constructed of Dacron sail cloth and is nearly bullet proof and doesn't stretch once pitched.  Great tent, I love mine.

This isn't quite correct.  You have confused the Tarptent Squall (whose first model dates back to the earliest days of Tarptent in the 1990s) with the Gossamer Gear "Squall Classic" which was the Peski/Shires collaboration.  It is smaller (really snug for 2 people, although fine for one person plus dog), and therefore half a pound lighter, than the Tarptent Squall 2.  The Squall Classic started about 2005 (the earliest review I can find now is 2006. but I know it was around when I first looked at lightweight tents in the fall of '05), disappeared for a year or two, and resumed with a remodel in 2009.  It disappeared permanently a couple of years later when spinnaker fabric became unavailable. In other words, you and I each own rare tents that should be carefully preserved!

I have a Tarptent Squall 2 that I bought in 2005--still doing fine, except for a rarely used grommet that popped off--and also a Gossamer Gear "Squall Classic" that I bought in 2009.  In fact, the "Classic" that I have was number one of the remodeled version, or so I was assured by the folks at Gossamer Gear.  Unlike the Tarptent Squall 2 and the earlier Classic, the vestibule fastens with a zipper instead of the hated (by me) velcro.  Unfortunately, the spinnaker fabric does stretch a bit when it gets wet, although not as much as silnylon.  Easily taken care of by using a  short bungee cord on each of the front guy lines.

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PostFri Mar 30, 2018 10:25 am 
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FYI

http://www.tarptent.com/tt1.html

I bought a TT Virga in mid 2003.  The foot hoop was pretty new at the time as I recall.  Previously the foot support was a short vertical pole.

I used that Virga on my section hikes in '03-'05 and on the PCT thru in '06, plus other hikes in that same time frame and after the thru, so it has well over 3,000 miles in the pack.  I'll still use it occasionally.
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PostSun Apr 01, 2018 10:21 am 
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Grannyhiker wrote:
This isn't quite correct. You have confused the Tarptent Squall (whose first model dates back to the earliest days of Tarptent in the 1990s) with the Gossamer Gear "Squall Classic" which was the Peski/Shires collaboration. It is smaller (really snug for 2 people, although fine for one person plus dog), and therefore half a pound lighter, than the Tarptent Squall 2. The Squall Classic started about 2005 (the earliest review I can find now is 2006. but I know it was around when I first looked at lightweight tents in the fall of '05), disappeared for a year or two, and resumed with a remodel in 2009. It disappeared permanently a couple of years later when spinnaker fabric became unavailable. In other words, you and I each own rare tents that should be carefully preserved!

You're correct, my bad!  I got mine in late 2009.  I could of sworn that GG told me that mine was number one  wink.gif.  I didn't know it is rare but it IS being carefully preserved.  I use it only when out with my six year old grandson and hang it when not in use.  It's as good today as the day I got it.

I've never really had a problem with mine stretching - from time to time I experience quite a bit of condensation.
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PostSun Apr 01, 2018 6:59 pm 
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How many of us were told we had number one???  Good question!

I got mine at the beginning of 2009, after having waited a long time.

If we had offered ours for sale in 2013, we probably could have gotten more than we paid!  There were dozens of "wanted to buy" ads on BPL then.

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PostMon Apr 02, 2018 11:56 am 
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coldrain108 wrote:
They sell a one person version, and many other really cool designed tents

Like the tents and hopefully they improve customer service. Come on Bob you can do it winksmile.gif I use the Soulx2 CF, Glacier Extreme,and have the Chinook2. Deep rotation.

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PostSat Apr 07, 2018 7:49 pm 
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Dont forget Six Moons.  They make some very nice etuff.  I really like mine.

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PostWed Apr 11, 2018 4:08 pm 
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Lots of positive recommendations for Tarptent!

I have the Tarp Tent Moment, which is very light (28 ozs +/-) and sets up/takes down very fast. It's also very streamlined and roomy for the weight.

The only thing about it is I'm not crazy about is a trait common to any similar single wall tent: Depending on the weather, a LOT of moisture can build up inside the tent overnight. It's especially noticeable in cold, damp weather, just like you'd expect. I don't think this is a fault of Tarptent, it's more just the consequences of using a single wall tent in damp weather. I've (luckily) never been in actual prolonged rain in it, so I can't speak to "misting", but I do expect there would be even more moisture build up inside. On one trip, there was so much moisture that it got on my sleeping bag, which was still damp when I pulled it out at the next camp site. I now take a pack towel inside the tent to dry it out when the moisture starts to collect. Of course, on warm, dry nights, none of this is an issue.
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The current version of the Moment , called Moment DW, is double wall.
You can choose between a mesh and a solid (fabric) inner.

http://www.tarptent.com/momentdw.html


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PostThu Apr 12, 2018 1:01 pm 
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Franco wrote:
The current version of the Moment , called Moment DW, is double wall.
You can choose between a mesh and a solid (fabric) inner.

http://www.tarptent.com/momentdw.html


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That is interesting.

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PostThu Apr 12, 2018 1:47 pm 
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Have to admire Henry Shires and the Tarptents. I worked with a guy who knew Henry, and dang if Henry didn't borrow their sewing machine for his first tent.
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PostThu Apr 12, 2018 1:57 pm 
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Franco wrote:
You can choose between a mesh and a solid (fabric) inner.

Pretty sure you can do that with the StratoSpire as well.  Or at least separately order the solid BR inner canopy as an aftermarket accessory purchase.  I have (and really like) the SS2, and have been thinking about the solid inner option.  Of course, now I'm dreaming about the "Li" version!
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PostThu Apr 12, 2018 6:38 pm 
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It's not free standing, but I really like the ZPacks Duplex as an all around backpacking tent. I use mine with two carbon poles (vice trekking poles) when there are two of us....two vestibules, two entries, plenty of sit up room for two people and a total weight of 20 ozs which includes stakes and cordage.

I am about to take delivery of the new ZPacks solo tent (Hexamid X), #2, for testing and evaluation (yes, I paid for it). #1 is 14.8 ozs and this tent uses a single pole. At this weight with a single pole I'd be hard pressed to top any combination of bivy and tarp for a fully enclosed, bathtub floor, single pole solo shelter, with consideration that it probably won't be as storm worthy as a mid. This tent will be available this summer and anyone considering a solo shelter may want to wait to see how this new tent fleshes out.

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