[gb]

[BigBrunyon]

[Ski]

[cambajamba]

Bless the Maker and His water. Bless the coming and going of Him.

[gb]

Ski, some of the anecdotal evidence carries quite a bit of weight. For instance; not only glacial observations and river levels but especially observations of treeline. I see this mostly, or at least notice it mostly, in larch country east of the Cascade crest where in many areas that used to be meadow there are now numerous small trees in the range of a few inches to trees with 3-4" diameter and ten to fifteen feet tall. From the gymnosperm website it appears that a larch of about 1" diameter is on average around 25 years old, so these trees represent a rather significant change in climate regarding the length of the growing season over the past 100 years or so. Which brings me back to the Queets. Perhaps one of the most remarkable places I've visited was the headwaters of the Queets at Dodwell Rixon Pass in 1994, the only time I traversed the Bailey Range. From, is it, Three Prune Lakes? and especially near Dodwell Rixon Pass it was remarkable to me how low the treeline was from observation. It was as low as 3000 to 3500' and was testimony to recent times when deep snowpack persisted well through summer. Those snowpack depths and their persistence don't make sense in the modern era. I wonder what this area looks like now and to what extent the evidence of what will soon be a new forest is currently different than it was in 1994. That area, of course, was of paramount importance to the Queets River. A century ago much of the Dodwell Rixon Pass area may have been under ice. It seems a folly now. Just across the divide is the Elwha Snowfinger which was too broken up for me to use as an exit on that latter September trip. I remember being awed by that area and amazed by the Elwha Snowfinger in a Don McCune adventure video of the 60's or early 70's. Don McCune and Exploration Northwest and Captain Puget Don McCune backpacking the Bailey Range I would imagine in the not too distant past it was a semi-permanent feature. Although the evidence from the trees is obvious, only individuals who made numerous trips across the Bailey Range would have seen the change in snowpack over a few decades. But the trees tell that there has been huge change, and relatively recently.

[thunderhead]

[thunderhead]

[gb]

[gb]

[thunderhead]

I know that you cannot comprehend basic stats, and that is enough. Ignoring the bigger picture to focus on a smaller less robust sample... Rank amateur move. You also can't even remember my name or what the discussion is about. Who mentioned that other guy or linear CO2 or 400k years ago or any of that other nonsense you just posted? Where did any of that unrelated nonsense even come from?

[thunderhead]

[gb]

[gb]

[thunderhead]

So in addition to no change in the pacific NW, there is no significant trend for the entire country either? I am shocked! Scary sounding news articles say the world is flooding, or drought will kill all our plants, or everything is going to burn down. But there is actually no change in the data? How could this be?

[Malachai Constant]

WTF is this thread doing in Trail Talk, it should be consigned to the Stewardship gulag. Just more personal bickering.