[Vertec]

[AlpineRose]

[Drinkupjimmy]

Can I make a suggestion to the group? The Sam Sayers search group has created several petitions. Can someone from this group do the same if it has not already been done? Maybe compile an organized list of concerns? I would be happy to sign it as I’m sure most here would. Going through the petitions to get a team up there, most of the people who signed it are not from the area. If we can get a collective group of tax payers in the area to form a petition maybe it can shut them down. I wanted Sam to be found too, but that’s not how this works. We’re all aware that when you get lost for weeks or die out there you don’t come back. They aren’t going to find her body, but they are going to hurt the fragile ecosystem. Not only that, but I am very uncomfortable with this covert pseudo-military operation going on on public land. It does feel like the Oregon bird sanctuary hostage situation all over again. There is so much wrong with what they’re doing, I don’t even know where to start. Can someone compile a list of concerns in the form of a petition?

[pula58]

I just wrote to Peter Forbes (Forest Service) to ask that he, or one his staff, go up there and look at what's happening, and lay down the law. Perhaps if some others here (On NWHIKERS) would do the same we can minimize the damage. https://scontent-sea1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/42059127_10160840070735254_6947804926420451328_n.jpg?_nc_cat=0&oh=120e226310faced5db7f41e0a20c72e2&oe=5C244AB2

[NativeWoman]

I am worried about what is happening in my backyard- I live near town, this is my place of peace. And while I am beyond sympathetic for her direct family and maybe some of her friends... the things I have seen on their "page" or Budd Carrs "page" have me worried for my town, our emergency service employees and first responders and I am scared for all of those extremely naive people heading up the mountain, thinking this is a David and Goliath mission. On Friday- in a video that Budd Carr posted to his Facebook page, he makes first some implied threats and then some pretty direct threats against law enforcement and forestry services- he also comments about cutting down and burning the entire mountain side- and this is the man they are holding up as their leader of their mission. I don't want to see anyone else hurt or killed up there, and this guy is going to get somebody hurt, I have no doubt. This is beyond a search party or rescue mission- these people think they are on a crusade

[Coastal Wolf]

Thanks to all of you too. I've learned a lot from the SAR folks here and have a lot more food for thought for my own solo adventures. I always rolled my eyes as those social media posts of people who lay out all of their gear before a trip but I now realize that's actually super important info and maybe I should send that along with my trip plan. I'm also going to be updating my living will about what I do and do not want to happen should I go missing. If you don't have a living will you can download a template at Get Your sh## Together.com https://www.gyst.com/ I've also learned a ton about how many people actually go missing and how many are sadly not found and have been reading some of those stories posted here. I guess it's something I've known but not necessarily gotten into the details on before. One of my take-aways from this whole thing is that our society has real issues grappling with death and our own mortality. Much more so than in other countries. Perhaps I've just lost one too many friends to random falls and accidents and known of too many experienced outdoors people who have died doing what they love out there that I have a different perspective than Sam's family. Sam's Mom mentioned the other day that she had a choice between hope and sorrow and she was choosing hope. Of course it's her choice. But knowing what we know about the conditions, and the terrain, and the probability that Sam is still alive it's a false choice. Brene Brown says that compassion does not exist without boundaries. In my view it would be more compassionate to help Sam's Mom move into the grieving process, a natural part of life that almost all of us experience, than to let her continue with the fantasy that Sam is alive. Max77 I guess we'll just have to disagree on that.

[trisaratop]

[rbuzby]

Can someone post pics of the camp please? I can't see them at the Facebook link. Thank You

[Vertec]

[rongoms]

Submitted without comment. (for now) "base camp"

[kiliki]

I will repost the emails that Ski posted earlier, as it seems like it's time for another round of emails. This is abuse of public lands and threats against public employees. I will also be cc'ing my elected officials. This might be small potatoes to Patty Murray, Maria Cantwell and even my state representatives, but I think it's important for the DNR and FS to see that I'm looping them in. And as someone that works for a Large Federal Land Management Agency, I know that sometimes it's surprising what catches the attention of an elected official. > Peter Forbes, District Ranger, Darrington RD, MBSNF: pforbes@fs.fed.us > Jean Fike, NW Region Manager, DNR: Jean.Fike@dnr.wa.gov > Bob Redling, DNR Communications and Outreach: bob.redling@dnr.wa.gov > Hilary Franz, Commissioner DNR: cpl@dnr.wa.gov

[monkeypuzzled]

I have to remind myself that most of these people don't understand that this isn't "grass" in a nice sea-level campground.

[rongoms]

More Base Camp madness. Base Camp Panorama

[tuck and roll]

OH WOW!!! I've been on several search missions and I can't ever remember a lot of standing/sitting around camp during daylight hours & clear weather when things were URGENT!!!

[rongoms]

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ SO. MUCH. THIS.