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pula58
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pula58
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 Mon Aug 06, 2018 11:30 am |
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We found fire pits..what a bummer. I hope all of us learn the ways of leave no trace once and for all.
Fires are like leaving garbage that takes 20 or so years to disappear. Then there's the aluminum foil in the fire pit, and the charred pieces of wood. The signs along the trail clearly state "no fires above 5000'." I wonder which part of the word "no" do people not understand?
To me it seems incredibly selfish to make a fire for one or two nights of pleasure and have your fleeting pleasure make an impact for the next 20 years (the time it takes for fit pits to slowly be covered by nature/flora (if flora is even possible at the location).
O.K. rage over.
Please people, leave no trace. Not "some" trace, "no" trace, so other people can enjoy the beauty of a natural setting without being subjected to garbage left behind (and fire pits ARE garbage).
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Gil
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Mon Aug 06, 2018 12:07 pm |
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You are absolutely right. I try to dismantle them when I can.
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MtnGoat
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Mon Aug 06, 2018 12:50 pm |
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If you do it right no one can tell where your fire was.
I understand the issue of fire safety and denuding sparse areas but the overall angst generated by the fire topic itself...especially if we wish to wade into the realities of all aspects of selfish choices, and I do not mean ignoring some of them
I suggest a fire pit gripe with no actual trip details is better suited for the stewardship forum
Diplomacy is the art of saying 'Nice doggie' until you can find a rock. - Will Rogers
Diplomacy is the art of saying 'Nice doggie' until you can find a rock. - Will Rogers
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Joe Biden
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Wrong forum....unless you want to add a trip report....I'd love to see one.
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pula58
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pula58
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Mon Aug 06, 2018 2:13 pm |
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You guys/gals might be right about this not being the right forum.
Is there a way to move my post to another forum without double posting?
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AlpineRose
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| MtnGoat wrote: | | If you do it right no one can tell where your fire was. |
Well then, it wouldn't be a fire pit would it? The (legitimate) complaint is about the long term scarring caused by fire pits. I've seen it happen many times - if someone wants to build a fire, they're going to build a fire, regardless of signs or bans.
Besides, even your clever, tiny fire carries the possibility of igniting a wildfire during times of extreme hazard.
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wolffie
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Mon Aug 06, 2018 5:00 pm |
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Trip Report:
I got 4 at Snowy Lakes and 3 or 4 at Cutthtroat Pass -- all above 6500' I think.
How do people even find anything to burn at that elevation?
I've found fire rings that looked over 100 years old, grassy, mossy -- still obvious as a sore thumb.
It is so hard to be humble when you're holier than everybody else....
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Some people have better things to do with their lives than walking the dog. Some don't.
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Malachai Constant
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It is pretty alpine no good reason to have a fire. You would have to haul wood up from below, why bother?
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BigBrunyon
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| Malachai Constant wrote: | | You would have to haul wood up from below, why bother? |
The real big ragers you gotta work for
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pula58
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pula58
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Wed Aug 08, 2018 9:30 am |
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We also found (and could not remove) some chewing gum stuck into a crevice in the rock next to the (garbage) fire pit. Unbelievable.
A place like this, that is not on a main trail, which has the lure of being a remote/untraveled pristine place. One would assume that a person would go there to be where no one usually goes, to enjoy the pristine unmarked landscape. Then why leave a trace (garbage)?
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John Morrow
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| MtnGoat wrote: | | If you do it right no one can tell where your fire was. |
that's a load of sh##. Look around Circle Lake at the few krummholz trees available for mostly only green wood and you'll see where people have slashed off boughs to burn and cut down the few small dead snags. I suppose you'd pack it in from down below then? Where does your charcoal and ash end up?
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“Tell me, what is it you plan to do with your one wild and precious life?”-Mary Oliver
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MtnGoat
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Mon Aug 13, 2018 3:38 pm |
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It winds up where you can't see it to begin with, of course. No one likes an unsightly fire spot left over, after all. I know you're confident in your claim this argument is a load of ####, but I'm just as confident you've never noticed where I've made a fire after I've left.
I already noted the issue with people denuding areas using poor practices.
Diplomacy is the art of saying 'Nice doggie' until you can find a rock. - Will Rogers
Diplomacy is the art of saying 'Nice doggie' until you can find a rock. - Will Rogers
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BigBrunyon
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i always build a BIG fire! And sit real far away!!
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Chief Joseph
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| BigBrunyon wrote: | | i always build a BIG fire! And sit real far away!! |
Indian build small fire and sit close, white man build BIG fire and sit far away.
I don't see a fire pit as trash. There are times when a fire is needed for survival and the rock rings make it much safer. Dismantling it is a waste of time, for sure someone will rebuild it.
Go placidly amid the noise and waste, and remember what comfort there may be in owning a piece thereof.
Go placidly amid the noise and waste, and remember what comfort there may be in owning a piece thereof.
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AlpineRose
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| Chief Joseph wrote: | | There are times when a fire is needed for survival |
99.999999999999999999999% of campfires are not built for survival, but rather to satisfy some primitive reptilian part of the hooman brain. In other words, for completely pointless reasons.
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