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PostMon Sep 24, 2018 11:53 am 
Please keep this topic within the boundaries of stewardship. Feel free to link alternative discussions below in this wiki post but do NOT spam this topic with such discussion or invite requests. Such posts will be deleted. Reddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/Washington/comments/9erxip/sam_sayers_still_missing_in_washington/ 2nd Reddit Thread: https://www.reddit.com/r/SeattleWA/comments/9hc0em/missing_hiker_on_vesper_peak_chaos_in_the_cascades/ Teton Gravity: https://www.tetongravity.com/forums/showthread.php/321860 Facebook: Official page and alternative facebook group no longer public New Facebook study group created by Steve Monchak on 10/8 The Truth of the Sam Sayers Case https://www.facebook.com/groups/698480987181194/ (no longer public on 11/8/18, reappeared as a closed group 12/7/18)

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PostFri Nov 09, 2018 6:15 pm 
Malachai Constant wrote:
The further south you go the less useful DST is. In the tropics the seasonal difference between length of day is trivial.
Dude, you crossed the streams, lol.

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PostFri Nov 09, 2018 10:34 pm 
Eleven pages of concern, speculation and "idiot" bombs. And all we get is a trench and a bare spot? Notwithstanding the love note, nor choice of camping protocol which differs from us, if one of my hiker kids ever goes missing I hope that many people care.

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PostSat Nov 10, 2018 4:04 pm 
Damian wrote:
Eleven pages of concern, speculation and "idiot" bombs. And all we get is a trench and a bare spot? Notwithstanding the love note, nor choice of camping protocol which differs from us, if one of my hiker kids ever goes missing I hope that many people care.
I know, Right? Almost (but not quite) as pathetic as spending 50-100k on a private search effort that yielded nothing more than a trench and bare spot - as of yet. I really hope a detailed and accurate record of areas searched is published by the private search party. Such a public record certainly cannot hurt any future possibility of obtaining answers for the family. Vesper Peak is hiked often by many people, many of whom are puzzled by this unfortunate event. Taking/posting a few photos (during hikes I would have done regardless of this situation) is not a tremendous effort, but it does require more than a keyboard. The photos document an undeniable impact of the private search effort. Law Enforcement and official SAR are committed to doing their best, we owe them tremendous gratitude - EVEN if we may not have all the information (no one ever does). If anyone's "hiker kids" go missing, I'm sure they will continue in that fine tradition.

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PostSat Nov 10, 2018 8:19 pm 
Damian wrote:
Notwithstanding the love note, nor choice of camping protocol which differs from us, if one of my hiker kids ever goes missing I hope that many people care.
I would think everyone on this forum cares about Sam, her family and loved ones. Her disappearance is tragic. IMO, the weird exploitation of the tragedy by the camo-clad commandos makes it that much worse.

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PostSun Nov 11, 2018 1:30 pm 
^^^^^^ This. I completely agree with what DIYSteve said. I don't think the concerns and critiques expressed by folks here re the methods and tone of the way the private SAR was handled indicates the contrary. What's most dispiriting is that in the 30+ years of living out here and doing trips in the mountains, what I've seen come with the increasing human visitation to the terrain is not just the degradation that comes with over-use, but the flagrant and willful harms done by people who behave as if it's their backyard to litter and deface any way they choose. LNT? They never heard of the concept or have a clue why it might be important. If I recall, only part of the Vesper area falls into the Morningstar NRCA. A state NRCA gets a lot less protection (I think) than a federally designated wilderness area. The sub-alpine and alpine areas of Vesper and Morningstar are as fragile as the Alpine Lakes area, and some of the most beautiful that we have in the central Cascades. After a 10+ year stretch of not visiting, it was painful to see the changes I noted during my last visit in 2014. Damage is much more noticeable when you've been away for a while. I started this thread with the hope that it would be a place where we could discuss ideas for how best to conserve the area, be it direct remediation or possibly restricted access, although I recognize that's usually applied to wilderness areas. But to get back to specifics,
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And all we get is a trench and a bare spot?
Likely not, it's just that no one's found/looked for their communal pit toilet. The private SAR supposedly set up one. Don't know if that's worse than the alternative. It really ruins the ambience to be out in "God's country" and discovering last year's TP lying just off-trail, or anywhere else, no regard to even digging a hole. I was just out to the Olympic Beaches in late August. The situation "in the trees" is disgusting. If I recall from the locked thread, someone reported that the 49th Parallel crowd left a mess in Wirtz Basin, too. Then there was all the fire-building. I believe the FS posted rules for hikers in the entire area was "no fires" mad.gif

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