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PostTue Dec 04, 2018 10:41 am 
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I think there was a thread on this a while back, but the most recent article has more detail:

http://www.peninsuladailynews.com/crime/man-pleads-guilty-to-breaking-into-onp-entrance-station/

The gist of it is that these two idiots got pulled over for speeding in a school zone. At the time, they were driving a stolen vehicle. Evidence found in that arrest linked them to thefts from the Deer Park campground in ONP as well as the Heart O' the Hills and Sol Duc entrance kiosks. They also had stolen credit cards and ID's; it's not clear where those came from, but I suppose trailhead break-ins would not be out of the question.

These guys had been out of jail for less than a week when this started.
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PostTue Dec 04, 2018 11:02 am 
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The gist of it is that these two idiots got pulled over for speeding in a school zone. At the time, they were driving a stolen vehicle. Evidence found in that arrest linked them to thefts from the Deer Park campground in ONP as well as the Heart O' the Hills and Sol Duc entrance kiosks. They also had stolen credit cards and ID's; it's not clear where those came from, but I suppose trailhead break-ins would not be out of the question.

These guys had been out of jail for less than a week when this started.

"Mr Wizards" they are for sure!   dizzy.gif

They should be hobbled like horses on the old westerns, and "allowed" to clean up the entire area of all discarded trash. Then when that's all been done satisfactorily, complete their sentences, and then put them on supervised probation for a few years or so...and they pay their portion of the probation officers wages.

Good grief....   lol.gif

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PostTue Dec 04, 2018 5:33 pm 
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My guess is that these two are very, very intelligent. Very intelligent.









Not!
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PostTue Dec 04, 2018 5:37 pm 
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The government will recommend Barclay be sentenced to seven months in federal prison, although he is facing a maximum of up to 10 years for the burglary charge and up to 10 years for the theft of government property charge. Sentencing is set for Feb. 22.

After Clallam County Superior Court Judge Christopher Melly ordered Hall released from jail Sept. 10, the two began a crime spree, according to the Clallam County Sheriff’s Office

So he'll be back on the streets in 7 months (5 with good behavior) just in time for another crime spree at the height of summer hiking season.

Theses judges should be thrown in jail too.
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PostTue Dec 04, 2018 6:09 pm 
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The judge hasn’t even sentenced the guy yet. What do you want him to do, refuse to accept the plea and force this to trial?
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PostTue Dec 04, 2018 6:19 pm 
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Throw the prosecutor in jail too then.  Enough with this soft on crime nonsense, condoning and encouraging these massive crime sprees!  Cut off their hands!
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PostTue Dec 04, 2018 6:23 pm 
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The judge hasn’t even sentenced the guy yet. What do you want him to do, refuse to accept the plea and force this to trial?

These judges and prosecutors don't want trials because then they'd actually have to work for a living. So they give a dangerous lunatic a slap on the wrist even when he was caught red handed with mountains of irrefutable evidence.
The prosecutor then gets to brag he has a 100% conviction rate when he runs for judge. The defense lawyer also gets to say he has a 100% acquittal rate when he runs for judge because he never had a defendant go to trial.

And the first judge ordered him released from jail after speeding through a school a zone in stolen car. Then he immediately began the crime spree because he learned he can get away with anything with just a slap on the wrist.
And whoever this fukcing thief is, I guarantee its not his first rodeo and he has a criminal history pages and pages long.
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PostTue Dec 04, 2018 7:13 pm 
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These judges and prosecutors don't want trials because then they'd actually have to work for a living.

You might want to do some research before ranting like that.

The number of courts and judges hasn't kept pace with population growth, so plea deals are a tool to handle the volume of cases.  If every case resulted in a trial, the court's backlog would explode and it would take years instead of months for cases to be resolved.

If we wanted every case to have a trial, we would need to greatly expand the number of courts, prosecutors and public defenders and pay for them with additional taxes.

The public often seems willing to spend more money on policing.  But less willing to increase spending on the court system to actually prosecute cases.

Just look at how long it took for this case to wind it's way through the court for a plea deal,  a trial would take far longer.
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PostTue Dec 04, 2018 7:41 pm 
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Cut off their hands!

Nah, wrong country. I'd hate to see us start cutting and chopping.

Drag them into the forest, force-feed them 40 grams of dried psilocybin and then make them listen to recordings of Fred Rogers for 24 hours or so. I've personally witnessed a similar rehabilitation, and the results were simply amazing.
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PostTue Dec 04, 2018 7:45 pm 
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Only break one law at a time.  If you're driving a stolen car, do the speed limit.

I can't imagine how much alcohol it takes to make it seem like stealing camping fees is a good idea.
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PostTue Dec 04, 2018 7:46 pm 
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RandyHiker wrote:
You might want to do some research before ranting like that.

Pffft.  Where's the fun in that?
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PostTue Dec 04, 2018 8:56 pm 
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RandyHiker wrote:
You might want to do some research before ranting like that.

The number of courts and judges hasn't kept pace with population growth, so plea deals are a tool to handle the volume of cases.  If every case resulted in a trial, the court's backlog would explode and it would take years instead of months for cases to be resolved.

If we wanted every case to have a trial, we would need to greatly expand the number of courts, prosecutors and public defenders and pay for them with additional taxes.

The public often seems willing to spend more money on policing.  But less willing to increase spending on the court system to actually prosecute cases.

Just look at how long it took for this case to wind it's way through the court for a plea deal,  a trial would take far longer.

Out of jail for a week, then they do this. I think the point to be made is that they should have really thrown the book at these dudes, instead of a plea deal so they can get out early and commit more crime.  Enough is enough.  Clearly the criminals have no regard for abiding by the law.
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PostTue Dec 04, 2018 10:15 pm 
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“Throwing the book” at the defendant who pled would mean consecutive 10 year sentences under federal sentencing guidelines. This would cost the taxpayers just under $32,000 per year, which works out to a minimum of $640,000.

The crimes he pled to (the car theft is a separate issue) amount to roughly $2,000 in stolen property (which was recovered) and less than $1,000 in property damage, at least as far as I can make out from the article.
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PostTue Dec 04, 2018 10:25 pm 
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The defense lawyer also gets to say he has a 100% acquittal rate when he runs for judge because he never had a defendant go to trial.

The defense lawyer's client has now been found guilty of several federal felonies, without the prosecution having to carry its burden of proof. This is the exact opposite outcome of an acquittal.
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PostWed Dec 05, 2018 4:29 am 
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“Throwing the book” at the defendant who pled would mean consecutive 10 year sentences under federal sentencing guidelines. This would cost the taxpayers just under $32,000 per year, which works out to a minimum of $640,000.

The crimes he pled to (the car theft is a separate issue) amount to roughly $2,000 in stolen property (which was recovered) and less than $1,000 in property damage, at least as far as I can make out from the article.

Yeah, there is a lot of outrage here about property crimes.   I believe the justice system puts more energy is to prosecuting crimes of violence.
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