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PostThu Dec 20, 2018 10:16 am 
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So so sad...condolences to their families.

Backpackers killed in Morocco

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PostThu Dec 20, 2018 10:57 am 
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It is unfortunate.  Something similar (in motive) happened earlier this year: A Dream Ended on a Mountain Road . The deceased in that instance expressed a certain naive optimism:

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Also recall a story from some years back of backpackers who wandered into (I think) Afghanistan ( ! ) who were attacked by a local radical band and somehow managed to escape their captors before being killed or ransomed.

The last places I'd go for a holiday would be Muslim countries that are invariably home to factions of the population that are extremely poor and often radicalized. Then go right into the remote areas where just such types hang out. One thing I learned when traveling abroad was to try to blend in, respect the local culture, be humble and unobtrusive.  In each of these cases, the deceased did the exact opposite.

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PostThu Dec 20, 2018 4:03 pm 
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It's too bad so many of the worlds most spectacular and unusual mountain destinations are in such hot spots.

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PostThu Dec 20, 2018 7:59 pm 
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MtnGoat wrote:
So so sad...condolences to their families.

Backpackers killed in Morocco

Hey, MtnGoat,

I appreciate the post.  What does this link to?  a newspaper site or ?   Some have paywalls and count the number of visits.  It's helpful to let us know where the link takes us.  Thanks.  ~z
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PostThu Dec 20, 2018 10:47 pm 
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MtnGoat wrote:
It's too bad so many of the worlds most spectacular and unusual mountain destinations are in such hot spots.

It is because remote areas are where desperados retreat to when things get tough for them. In Italy it is Sicily and Calabria, in France Corsica, in Southeast Asia it was the Golden Triangle, and in the US it was Western Arizona and Eastern New Mexico. The frontier is always a dangerous place.

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PostFri Dec 21, 2018 7:33 am 
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zephyr wrote:
Hey, MtnGoat,

I appreciate the post.† What does this link to?† a newspaper site or ?† Some have paywalls and count the number of visits.† It's helpful to let us know where the link takes us.† Thanks.† ~z

It's a news site, but if you would rather you can google "Imlil", the village nearest the site of the incident. It seems to have become an international incident, deservedly, so there should be an abundance of stories from which you can find a trusted site (for ads/tracking behavior at least, if not content veracity these days :P). Four suspects have been arrested. Sounds like the first suspect was arrested in Marrakesh, and other articles suggest that the other three suspects were also later arrested in Marrakesh.

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The frontier is always a dangerous place.

Anne Elk wrote:
The last places I'd go for a holiday would be Muslim countries that are invariably home to factions of the population that are extremely poor and often radicalized. Then go right into the remote areas where just such types hang out. One thing I learned when traveling abroad was to try to blend in, respect the local culture, be humble and unobtrusive.  In each of these cases, the deceased did the exact opposite.

I've always tried to go with the flow, but I don't think I have ever crossed paths with the intense hate and anger that these people found out there, or rather found them out there. Wasn't Goran Kropp also the victim of an attack and had his gear stolen during one of his big treks?
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PostFri Dec 21, 2018 8:23 am 
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Doppelganger wrote:
It's a news site, but if you would rather you can google "Imlil", the village nearest the site of the incident.

Thank you!  ~z


Edit:  Well I clicked on that link and a huge video started playing loudly with no way to turn it off.  What the heck?
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PostFri Dec 21, 2018 9:05 am 
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zephyr wrote:
Edit:† Well I clicked on that link and a huge video started playing loudly with no way to turn it off.† What the heck?

Hmm I have some adblockers installed so they may have protected me from some ads/videos. Lots of developments at https://www.google.com/search?q=Imlil&safe=off&source=lnms&tbm=nws&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjdvr-is7HfAhVmIjQIHaHxBSwQ_AUIECgD&biw=910&bih=609 (just a link to Google search results on the News tab, so probably safe)
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PostFri Dec 21, 2018 4:49 pm 
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Wasn't Goran Kropp also the victim of an attack and had his gear stolen during one of his big treks?

Goran Kropp died rock climbing in Eastern Washington.

http://www.traditionalmountaineering.org/News_GoranKropp.htm

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PostFri Dec 21, 2018 5:26 pm 
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reststep wrote:
Doppelganger wrote:
Wasn't Goran Kropp also the victim of an attack and had his gear stolen during one of his big treks?

Goran Kropp died rock climbing in Eastern Washington.

http://www.traditionalmountaineering.org/News_GoranKropp.htm

True. I recall reading a book of an Everest Expedition I think in 1996 where Kropp bicycled about 1200 miles to climb Everest, and along the way he was attacked by young thugs while on his bike, not sure if he was robbed.

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PostFri Dec 21, 2018 11:36 pm 
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RIP, condolences, and sad trombone.

There was a time when adventure travel in the Islamic world was easy, fun and cheap. And reasonably safe if you followed a few basic rules.

The final stages of capitalism is all sad trombones.
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PostSat Dec 22, 2018 11:36 pm 
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Not to put too fine a point on it, but don't you mean "imperialism"?  (Check Wikipedia.)  Just sayin'.

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PostSun Dec 23, 2018 12:41 pm 
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don't you mean "imperialism"?

You'll get no argument from me there- the two go hand in hand.
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Contour5 - Sure, but it's not  unique to capitalism, which was really more my point.  Probably a basic human foible, maybe the root of all evil.  We're not that far removed from other primates that way, when it comes to behavior in groups: "scheme-y backstabbing machiavellian bastards who are awful to each other": Sapolsky, beginning at 9:32 in the entertaining and informative doc: Stress, Portrait of a Killer .

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Years ago I built a pair of wheels for a guy who was about to set out to bicycle around the world. A few months later, his wife called to advise that he was knifed to death in Afghanistan, likely by thieves.
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