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PostMon Dec 24, 2018 3:56 pm 
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I'll stay non political. On one of the more recent government "shutdowns" I proceeded up to the Wenatchee Ranger Station in Leavenworth. I found it closed and then went directly to the Snow Lakes Trailhead for the Enchantment Lakes. Found the facilities there closed. I issued myself a "permit" to the Enchantments and enjoyed a great six day stay up there - something I couldn't seem to accomplish when the government was fully operational.
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PostMon Dec 24, 2018 4:28 pm 
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schifferj wrote:
I issued myself a "permit" to the Enchantments and enjoyed a great six day stay up there - something I couldn't seem to accomplish when the government was fully operational.

No surprise there, in which month did that happen?

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PostMon Dec 24, 2018 7:26 pm 
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Chief Joseph wrote:
schifferj wrote:
I issued myself a "permit" to the Enchantments and enjoyed a great six day stay up there - something I couldn't seem to accomplish when the government was fully operational.

No surprise there, in which month did that happen?

H'mm I'm not seeing any shutdowns during the permit season.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Government_shutdowns_in_the_United_States
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PostTue Dec 25, 2018 8:43 am 
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RandyHiker wrote:
H'mm I'm not seeing any shutdowns during the permit season

Randy,

Check your own cite just a little bit closer- The Federal Government (including Wenatchee Ranger District) was shut down for sixteen days commencing October 1st in 2013. At that time the Enchantment permit season ran until October 15th. I got to enjoy "Golden Week" up there - something I've never been able to do under the onerous government lottery system. It was an awesome trip BTW.  Larches were magnificent and there was only a handful of scofflaws enjoying the area free and gratis.

Thanks for refreshing my memory; it gets foggier every year as I enter my "golden" years and I had forgotten what year it was exactly.
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PostTue Dec 25, 2018 9:56 am 
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It's a bummer when you fly all the way out from Minnesota and can't go to your favorite places, but oh well. There's still beauty to be had. Merry Christmas!
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PostTue Dec 25, 2018 2:32 pm 
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HermitThrush wrote:
It's a bummer when you fly all the way out from Minnesota and can't go to your favorite places, but oh well. There's still beauty to be had. Merry Christmas!

I'm very sorry this happened to you.   frown.gif

None of us anticipated this.

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PostTue Dec 25, 2018 2:48 pm 
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HermitThrush wrote:
It's a bummer when you fly all the way out from Minnesota and can't go to your favorite places, but oh well. There's still beauty to be had. Merry Christmas!

Merry Christmas! I’m sorry that happened to you. However, did you know that thanks to the trillions of digital photos taken around the world over the past couple of decades, you can enjoy those favorite places without having a carbon footprint?

Just use Google images and save the Earth!
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PostTue Dec 25, 2018 11:08 pm 
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Good to know there is no politics here. huh.gif

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PostWed Dec 26, 2018 12:58 am 
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Edit:  Removed the political drift above.
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PostWed Dec 26, 2018 5:01 am 
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Tom wrote:
Can those of you who can't help but talk politics just STFU now so we don't have to lock this?

This is a hilarious Midnight Mod post  embarassedlaugh.gif

Everyone remember that in a few months the sun will start to shine again and we can all go out and be happy again? If all this BS has to happen at least it's not happening in "peak" season, at least from the hiking perspective, yeah? Up here the Chucks, Lookout Mountain, Erie, Little Mountain, the Kettles; we've got options I guess. County/City trails to get those legs moving while ya wait.

I feel like this place gets surly every winter  uhoh.gif
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PostWed Dec 26, 2018 5:44 am 
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The intentional injection of politics into this thread does nothing to help collect and disseminate information on effects hikers, etc. learn about and discover regarding access during the shutdown. I have political opinions that are strong but any reader would note none of those opinions were injected into the OP.

I want to know where I can go and where I cannot and I am sure any other active outdoor folks want to also.
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Sorry I cannot remove posts where other members have quoted my text, but I've removed all of my previous posts from the thread.
Hopefully this will assuage those whose feelings have been hurt.

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PostWed Dec 26, 2018 12:24 pm 
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Ski, your post was innocuous IMHO but I've moved the recreational economy discussion to Stewardship.  The political injection came later by others.  I've removed the drift.  Let’s keep this focused on hiking impacts.
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Well, the damage to national parks is apparently going to be severe.  This will be mainly in the Grand Canyon where there will be nobody available to make people "stay on trails".  That's what I heard on NPR.  Some enviro guy was saying the damage would be tremendous.  Might be a few splats to clean up if people go too far off the trail.  wink.gif 

Bring along your own porta potty and toilet paper.  It might be a while.

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Impact to the hiker user constituency is a no-brainer:
NO trail maintenance.
NO vault toilets available at trailheads. (Ergo: more crap all around the trailhead on the ground.)
NO law enforcement presence at trailheads or on trails.

This isn't rocket science.

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