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Chief Joseph
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PostMon Feb 25, 2019 6:26 pm 
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Lol ^ they will pay 5 bucks at the Verlot Service center to hike to Heather lake that has no amenities, more power to the sheeple!

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PostMon Feb 25, 2019 6:34 pm 
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I wish gas was still 19 cents/gallon.

Oh wait. It was 19.9 cents/gallon. Man! That's almost 20 cents.
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PostMon Feb 25, 2019 6:44 pm 
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Even before the decision the enforceability of the pass requirement was questionable.  I forgot my pass and parked at Salmon Le Sac one weekend in 2002 or so.  I got a ticket.  I didn't pay it.   About every six months or so someone from the Spokane US attorney's office would call and tell me I owed $50 I said thanks for letting me know.  This went on for several years, until my wife happened to answer one of these calls and read me the riot act about endangering our credit rating.  Which really was a non-issue since they never set the fine to collections or reported my non-payment to any credit reporting agency.

I buy the "multi agency" pass every year,  compared to the $ I spend driving to trailhead and on trail snacks -- its chump change.
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PostMon Feb 25, 2019 7:35 pm 
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Riverside Laker wrote:
I wish gas was still 19 cents/gallon.

Oh wait. It was 19.9 cents/gallon. Man! That's almost 20 cents.

Much like ounces lead to pounds in your pack, those 5 dollar bills add up over a long period of time.

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PostMon Feb 25, 2019 9:46 pm 
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hbb wrote:
16 USC 6802(g)(2)(A) only requires "at least a majority" of the listed amenities.

That section applies only to "expanded" amenity fees at campgrounds, not the "standard" amenity fee at trailheads, where all 6 amenities are required.
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PostMon Feb 25, 2019 10:26 pm 
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Be thankful they haven't figured out a way to make it a private concession so that the concessionaire gets the fees and the annual pass is not valid.
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PostMon Feb 25, 2019 10:44 pm 
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nordique wrote:
I have no problem paying for passes to park at trailheads and I'm disappointed that people expect trailhead parking to be free.  I pay more, every month, to climb at Vertical World three days a week--though parking there is 'free.'

I don't find it disappointing that people expect their taxes to cover access to the public land we all own.  We all expect free roads to trailheads, why not parking too?  It's not like the road to the Ira Spring trail has many other uses.

I don't begrudge the forest service the money - I don't even think they should have to spend it on trails, most of their budget is turning into fire fighting - but there's nothing wrong or immoral about thinking that access to public lands should be freely available to all with no cost or restriction.  I mean my Subaru cost more than a NWFP too, that doesn't mean they should raise the parking fee to $1,000 a year.
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PostWed Feb 27, 2019 2:41 pm 
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Cyclopath wrote:
We all expect free roads to trailheads, why not parking too?

Huh? Roads are paid for via gasoline taxes.
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PostWed Feb 27, 2019 2:46 pm 
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xrp wrote:
Cyclopath wrote:
We all expect free roads to trailheads, why not parking too?

Huh? Roads are paid for via gasoline taxes.

Right and since we have one of the highest gas taxes in the nation, the funds should easily cover the cost of a TH parking lot maintenance.

Plus, look at all the access roads that have washed out and they say there is no money to fix them.

In there defense roads such as the one to Kelcema lake and the 3Fingers lookout should not be fixed, as doing so is like throwing money down a well, it will simply fail again.

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