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PostFri Mar 15, 2019 11:53 am 
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I've always thought of New Zealand as a refuge, as have my "shirttail" relatives (cousins of in-laws who live near Christchurch).

Yesterday's news proves conclusively that there's no place to hide!

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PostFri Mar 15, 2019 11:54 am 
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sure, but 1 in 30 years is a lot different, even though still sad, than the good ole US.

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PostFri Mar 15, 2019 12:11 pm 
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However innocuous these posts may seem it only serves to bait further gun debate.  We have already seen things escalate very negatively in this thread when latitude was given.  Our goal is to keep NWH a safe haven from divisive topics that are not outdoor related.  There are many other places you can discuss such topics if you wish to.  TIA!
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PostFri Mar 15, 2019 12:21 pm 
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Backpacker Joe wrote:
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I could move to Vancouver in a heartbeat.  I love city living - the culture and arts.  Vancouver is so cosmopolitan and international and vibrant.  It has energy. up.gif

I used to work in Vancouver, and I really enjoyed it.

LOL, Im looking at property in northern Idaho.  50 acres of leave me the hell alone!

Well, If you do buy that place, I promise to not bother you. Although I could give you info on hiking and fishing in the area and I really need a snowmobiling partner. There are over 200 miles of groomed trails. I was riding near our property a couple of days ago and noticed fresh moose tracks, which is always scary. Just up the trail the tacks veered off into the woods and I saw the moose standing in the woods about 20 yards off trail, whew!

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Revelstoke. Not too big, not too small. Still slightly off the radar, which is a good thing.

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PostFri Mar 15, 2019 12:34 pm 
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yes, revelstoke seems to be high on the list so far. golden too. people that like golden tend to say they like revelstoke the same, but that RS is a nicer town.

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plus Revelstoke's name has a cool Middle Earth feel about it
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PostMon Mar 18, 2019 10:28 pm 
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i read this article and it feels like a gut punch on the idea of going to canada:
https://backcountrycanadatravel.com/why-moving-to-canada-is-a-bad-idea/

i will say that the 50+ comments all sound eerily similar. coordinated effort or legit comments?

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PostMon Mar 18, 2019 11:27 pm 
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A friend of mine married a woman who lives in Thailand and wants to retire there. He said that you have to show that you have a certain amount of money in the bank and also and income per year stipulation.

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PostMon Mar 18, 2019 11:29 pm 
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https://www.skiresort.info/ski-resorts/thailand/

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PostTue Mar 19, 2019 8:11 am 
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i read this article and it feels like a gut punch on the idea of going to canada:
https://backcountrycanadatravel.com/why-moving-to-canada-is-a-bad-idea/

i will say that the 50+ comments all sound eerily similar. coordinated effort or legit comments?

Legit. The impact of their cumulative layers of taxation and control is easily visible in the prices. On my last trip (Kelowna/Kamloops/Barriere) I had a pretty decent tour of different sized towns and in all I was pretty shocked at prices for food, or even clothes, not to mention fuel. The endemic problems with the publicly lauded but poorly performing health care system are downplayed but harmful and costly.

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The study draws upon data from the Fraser Institute’s Waiting Your Turn study, an annual survey of Canadian physicians who, in 2017, reported a median wait time from specialist appointment to treatment of 10.9 weeks—three weeks longer than what physicians consider clinically reasonable.

Crucially, the $1.9 billion in lost wages is likely a conservative estimate because it doesn’t account for the additional 10.2-week wait to see a specialist after receiving a referral from a general practitioner. Taken together (10.9 weeks and 10.2 weeks), the median wait time in Canada for medical treatment was 21 weeks in 2017—the longest wait time ever recorded in the Fraser Institute survey’s history.


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PostTue Mar 19, 2019 9:04 am 
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From the article..sums it up for me in a nutshell.

"Why even bother moving to Canada if you live a fairly good life in the country you are now? Come to Canada for your vacations; buy a piece of land somewhere or a cabin if this makes you happy and feel that you belong. Come back every year and be a little part of us. But moving here permanently, really?".

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Ehh.   I read it and about half the comments.   Really sounds like a bunch of undereducated or people educated in unemployable occupations thinking life sucks in Canada.  Well to be brutally honest it sucks here in the great USA for those people as well.   

The second complaint basically boils down to not being able to integrate into their new culture.   That is actually a hard one, and many would be imigrants don’t have what it takes to succeed.  Candian culture is basically the US with a bunch of wierd and odd quarks.   Easier for us to assimilate than say someone from China, but definitely not without its difficulties. 

So the health care system is not perfect.   Yep I would still say that it is cheaper, and far superior system than what most people have in this country.  Lots of targeted propaganda on our side of the boarder when it comes to this issue.  One thing I would say is to be careful when considering people’s opinions when they Immgrated 20-30+ years ago.  I find that with my relatives that their opinions on the US systems are stuck in a time warp, and often don’t reflect the current reality.     


There is also a lot of complaints that Canada turned out not to be this perfect place that they were escaping to.  Canada to has poor people, drugs, racists, morons  and corrupt politicians.  Duh.   You need to closely examine your motivations for moving.   A good reason to move is that you believe the new country has better financial prospects, educational opportunities and a better cultural fit for you.  A bad reason is to simply escape your current environment.  Using these criteria is one of the major reasons I have never ever considered moving to Mississippi.
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PostTue Mar 19, 2019 12:37 pm 
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Adohrn wrote:
So the health care system is not perfect.  Yep I would still say that it is cheaper, and far superior system than what most people have in this country.

Not in my experience. Since I retired early and my pension is below $1300 per month, I qualify for free Medicaid Healthcare, nearly all my prescriptions are free, and I have no co-pays within the Provider Network. I also have free dental (although the choices are very limited) and they only pay for basic care. How is it "Far Superior" when Canadians have to wait up to two years for a surgical procedure?

"The Canada Health Act does not cover prescription drugs, home care or long-term care, prescription glasses or dental care. Costs for prescription drugs come out of your own pocket unless you have extended Health Insurance. Lots of people can only afford extended insurance when it’s paid by their employer. And, learn to be patient; it’s not unusual to be on a two-year waiting list until you get surgery. People who have the money often go to the US to have surgery done. The Canadian health system sucks big time, but that’s material for another blog.".

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PostTue Mar 19, 2019 1:04 pm 
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I too have difficultly equating higher taxes for less care and far longer waits with 'superior'. Perhaps it's the aspirations, not the reality, being equated with superior. Perhaps the idea that all are guaranteed the same problems equally  is the superior part. My plan is "free at point of delivery", (the dodge we hear frequently)  and it's premiums *plus* my tax burden is still less than I'd pay into the superior system to the north. On the other hand, my abdominal surgery a few years ago involved a week long wait.

The nice Canadian lady I was dating during my last visit planned to move to the States following her son's graduation. Her reasons were basically those listed in the linked article.

My take - vacation in The Great White North, but move somewhere else in the US more in keeping with your goals

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