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PostTue Oct 02, 2018 7:21 am 
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How many people got tore up by the Hawtorne plants this summer half way between Boulder and Thunder ?
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PostTue Oct 02, 2018 10:37 am 
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You mean the White River Trail between Boulder Creek and Thunder Creek?
I don't believe I have ever noticed hawthorns in the mountains (Crataegus phaenopyrum).  They are wickedly thorny small trees and hard to miss.
I went from Boulder Ck to the Pass less than 10 years ago, in brush so thick I couldn't see my dog at my feet, but nothing thorny, except perhaps salmonberry.
Are hawthorns appearing in the mountains?  Common ornamental.  Haws are all over my front yard, I'm often tracking some into the house.  I can imagine them getting stuck in peoples' shoes and spreading that way.
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PostTue Oct 02, 2018 11:39 am 
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Are hawthorns appearing in the mountains?  Common ornamental.  Haws are all over my front yard, I'm often tracking some into the house.  I can imagine them getting stuck in peoples' shoes and spreading that way.

We always called them 'whore-thorn' doing ecology work haha! The thorns are just for defense however the tree produces fruit to propagate.
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PostTue Mar 05, 2019 6:54 am 
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So it sounds like it has been a while since anyone has been up the White River trail past Boulder Pass junction. I was there about 5 years ago and obviously that area is susceptible to avalanche sliding.
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PostTue Mar 05, 2019 9:26 am 
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We have two species of hawthorn native to Washington State, Crataegus douglasii and Crataegus chrysocarpa.  The former is common on both sides of the Cascades, but as Wolffie attests, does not climb the mountains.  Crataegus chrysocarpa (quite striking in bloom!) is an uncommon plant of riparian habitat found only on the East side.  It is hard to find and not trivial to differentiate from C. douglasii.  They both has wicked thorns of course.

The Consortium of Northwest Herbaria has a documented occurrence of C. douglasii west of Merritt in a riparian area.  So although there are no documented occurrences in the White River drainage, it is not inconceivable.

Crataegus phaenopyrum is known as the Washington Hawthorn, but in found only in the southeastern US.

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PostTue Mar 05, 2019 10:22 am 
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Well regardless of stickers it's time to do some trail work. As you move further south from the junction the trail might be better or just go to a abandoned trail
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PostThu Mar 07, 2019 6:49 pm 
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Some friends of mine were up there and over to the nepequah in September i think.  They didn't talk too much about the trail being bad, but they did say there was alot of trash up at the pass/campsites which saddened me.  They also ran into horse folks.  Cant say more

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PostThu Mar 07, 2019 8:08 pm 
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The area I am talking about goes straight instead of heading up the Boulder Pass trail
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PostMon Mar 11, 2019 7:13 pm 
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I hiked it in the 80s on a circumnavigation of gp ..it was quite doable back then albeit quite overgrown in many places.  Lightning creek looked like it could wreck real havoc and my understanding when it was used as the alternative route for the pct after the flooding in 2003 that it was not good at all.   It's too bad cause brings u up to a great location on the pct..better than indian creek which was a broken ankle waiting to happen.   Many fond memories.

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PostMon Mar 11, 2019 7:54 pm 
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Would love to see some pictures of that when you went thru.
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PostMon Mar 11, 2019 8:15 pm 
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Sallie4jo wrote:
horse folks
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PostTue Mar 12, 2019 12:57 pm 
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Not sure what i have...will see when I get a moment.  That was back when I carried a heavy 35 mm camera and there was nothing light weight in regard to gear...lots fewer people..which i loved!!!

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PostTue Mar 12, 2019 6:08 pm 
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I hear that
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