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PostThu Apr 25, 2019 9:59 am 
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Interesting article..

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PostThu Apr 25, 2019 10:37 am 
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Well written. Thanks for sharing it.
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PostThu Apr 25, 2019 11:18 am 
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MtnGoat wrote:
Interesting article..

Well, I've wondered about this from time to time.

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I was looking at the NWHikers thread the other day, reviewing the pictures of the site and checking out the new (I think it's new) layer of satellite imagery on Google to see if that ... "crew"... left anything behind - the least important remaining question but I still wonder.

Hey, was that the NWHikers Allison who wrote that article? Probably not but just in case.
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PostThu Apr 25, 2019 10:36 pm 
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"The countyís SAR spent 20,197 hours on missions in 2018, with approximately 8,000 of those hours looking for Sam."

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PostFri Apr 26, 2019 4:24 pm 
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And I see that one of the thankfully-euthanized "Missing Hiker..." threads  got 1159 replies and 382K views. We all felt concern at the time for a missing hiker and praise for S&R, but I think that thread quickly became more about....well,  mum.gif other stuff. Hopefully, no reruns this year.

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PostSun Apr 28, 2019 2:31 pm 
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Seattle Met is an odd mag for this.  Good human interest story from the family POV, but unsatisfying since it doesn't provide much insight for the general public re SAR,  the tremendous effort they put forth (except for listing days & hours), and how difficult it is to find a missing person in the bush. The Outside Magazine story How 1600 People Went Missing from Our Public Lands Without a Trace (cited in the old NWH Sayers thread) does a much better job, IMO.

FWIW, I skimmed through all the crazy churn in the old thread, and a few key posts now stand out: those of Freesolo and some of Schroder's: both of them SAR or former SAR volunteers with tons of experience, including Freesolo's involvement with the search for missing PCT thru-hiker Kris "Sherpa" Fowler.  It's the informed analysis that's worth attention. Not going to re-open that can of worms but if someone wants to discuss, PM me.

One coda: I stumbled on this noteworthy selfie video of a Vesper summit day hike. When I saw the crazy stuff this guy does (and in sneakers!) I was reminded of Sayers' many "at the precipice" Instagram shots.

The stomach-churning stuff starts just past 2.10:   eek.gif


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PostSun Apr 28, 2019 2:51 pm 
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Anne Elk wrote:
The stomach-churning stuff starts just past 2.10:  eek.gif

That wasn't too bad.  A little bit after around 3:00.

Chasing the ptarmigan though, that was lame.  I have NEVER seen one take flight before.  You have to be seriously harassing them to get them to take wing.  Boo, bad form.
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PostSun Apr 28, 2019 9:55 pm 
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Chasing the ptarmigan though, that was lame.† I have NEVER seen one take flight before.† You have to be seriously harassing them to get them to take wing.† Boo, bad form.

Agreed - that was my first thought. Tacky for sure.
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PostMon Apr 29, 2019 7:41 am 
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olderthanIusedtobe wrote:
Chasing the ptarmigan though, that was lame.† I have NEVER seen one take flight before.† You have to be seriously harassing them to get them to take wing.† Boo, bad form.

Looks comparable to terrain I've felt comfortable scrambling in the past, but I would always want both hands and 100% of my attention to be on each hand, foot, my balance and momentum, and the distribution of my weight. Kids get so excited, chasing ptarmigans and waving selfie sticks around. I would definitely want all available points of contact around the summit, I wouldn't waste a hand on the stick or look up at the camera and away from my feet to smile smile.gif
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PostTue Apr 30, 2019 1:22 pm 
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olderthanIusedtobe wrote:
Anne Elk wrote:
The stomach-churning stuff starts just past 2.10:  eek.gif

Chasing the ptarmigan though, that was lame.  I have NEVER seen one take flight before.  You have to be seriously harassing them to get them to take wing.  Boo, bad form.

if i saw that guy doing that, i might just have to assist him off the mountain. what a d-bag. who is that, anyway, relative to the SS case?

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PostTue Apr 30, 2019 5:27 pm 
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And selfie sticks are always a good idea on the top of mountains rolleyes.gif

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PostTue Apr 30, 2019 6:01 pm 
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Slim wrote:
And selfie sticks are always a good idea on the top of mountains rolleyes.gif

That could just as easily have been a hiking pole or ice axe.

With regard to Sam Sayers, I've pored over all the reports for the past eight months - from the Sheriff's Office, the trackers, the amateur drone pilots, etc. and I now firmly believe she's somewhere below 4500 feet on the south slope of Vesper and it had nothing to do with taking a selfie. She simply wandered off the wrong direction.
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PostTue Apr 30, 2019 10:06 pm 
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Iron wrote:
who is that, anyway, relative to the SS case?

Just an example of selfie-stick craziness at the brink, demonstrated coincidentally in the general area of SS's disappearance.
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I've pored over all the reports for the past eight months...and I now firmly believe she's somewhere below 4500 feet on the south slope of Vesper and it had nothing to do with taking a selfie. She simply wandered off the wrong direction.

Well, probably not "wrong", Schroder, more likely a deliberate side trip, and she had an accident while down there, off trail.  Recall that she'd been to Vesper several times previously.

*edit* Just looked at a topo map; recalling that someone had said the "old" approach to Vesper was via the south side and up Vesper Creek - while perhaps a shorter hike in distance, sure looks like a gnarlier (steeper, woodsier) approach.

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PostWed May 01, 2019 7:58 am 
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Schroder wrote:
With regard to Sam Sayers, I've pored over all the reports for the past eight months - from the Sheriff's Office, the trackers, the amateur drone pilots, etc. and I now firmly believe she's somewhere below 4500 feet on the south slope of Vesper and it had nothing to do with taking a selfie. She simply wandered off the wrong direction.

Hey, just curious about any information or reports that made the south slopes seem more likely than the north/northwest slope? Is there a collection of drone footage for the north face, it's likely I have not seen all of the north face footage. I am still under the impression that the north face is the most likely location, some excellent photos of the terrain (and descriptions of the danger and consequences of attempting to explore or conquer that terrain) in Steph Abegg's trs. The pictures of the moat during attempts at gear recovery in the report for the 1st attempt are sobering for sure:

1st Attempt
http://www.stephabegg.com/home/tripreports/washington/northcascades/vesper

1st Success
http://www.stephabegg.com/home/tripreports/washington/northcascades/vesper2

2nd Success
http://www.stephabegg.com/home/tripreports/washington/northcascades/vesper3
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