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PostThu May 23, 2019 7:40 pm 
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https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/may/23/congestion-mount-everest-backlog-climbers-death-zone

Picture is mind boggling. RIP climbers that are now gone.
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PostThu May 23, 2019 8:07 pm 
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I can see why people would want to reach the highest point on Earth, but for me... no thanks.
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PostFri May 24, 2019 2:13 am 
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Again, even when younger, I was no climber.

That shot of standing in line is so different than reading about Hornbein’s Couloir in The West Ridge.

It may not be fair but it seems like the standard route is now about having money, a few months, physical fitness, and ability to handle exposure. It’s doesn’t seem like mountaineering to me.

Is this wrong, and one or two photos totally misrepresent the experience?

Best.
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PostFri May 24, 2019 7:38 am 
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Wow, I still can't believe that picture isn't photoshopped. Butt to face, the entire way up the Hillary Step. Lots of past climbers spinning in their resting places alongside that queue. Disgusting.

Edit: qualifying my judgement. When you are climbing and make a decision that puts your own safety at risk, that's fine, it's your safety - as long as you are sure nobody else is put at risk and you aren't expecting someone to risk themselves later to bail you out. Everyone in this line made a decision that put the other people in that line at risk, and everyone made that decision to compromise safety in favor of their own personal summit goals. Summit day already sounds like a big squeeze for time and energy, anyone encountering this crowd on their way up and saying "why not, let's go for it" is accepting the consequences to an extent.
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PostFri May 24, 2019 7:47 am 
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Pyrites wrote:
now about having money, a few months, physical fitness, and ability to handle exposure.

And having the patience and bladder capacity to spend long hours waiting in line.
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PostFri May 24, 2019 7:48 am 
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It is an effect of the greatly increased popularity of the climb, the demands of acclimatization, the narrow favorable weather window and improved weather forecasting.

Summitting Everest is only possible during the transitional period between wet and dry seasons.   This often only lasts a few days to a week or so.  Pretty much the rest of the year the summit is sticking into the jetstream with gale to hurricane force winds.

This season there was a longer than normal period of poor weather, so all parties were in position when the weather window opened.   The forecast called for a number of good days, but no guide is going to tell their clients "Let's wait for tomorrow went it will be less crowded"
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PostFri May 24, 2019 8:16 am 
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Summitting Everest is only possible during the transitional period between wet and dry seasons.  This often only lasts a few days to a week or so.  Pretty much the rest of the year the summit is sticking into the jetstream with gale to hurricane force winds.

I know this is generally true and why almost everyone climbs in May (and occasionally in the Fall), but I was curious how many exceptions there were. People are also generally aware that there has been a winter ascent of Everest (as opposed to K2).

In 1985 and 1986, Spanish(+Sherpa) and Swiss parties reached the summit in August, which seem to be the only July or August ascents.

The latest ever summit in the Spring season was on June 14th, 2007, by a UK party + Sherpa. Earliest was April 13, 1993 by a lone Sherpa.

Summits by month:
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2     2
4     21
5     4484
6     81
8     7
9     37
10    192
12    9

https://tiledevil.co.uk/blogs/mount-everest-climbers/list-of-mount-everest-climbers-1953-2000
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PostFri May 24, 2019 8:52 am 
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Rest In Peace climbers
I hope the famililes find closure.

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PostFri May 24, 2019 9:02 am 
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SeanSullivan86 wrote:
RandyHiker wrote:
Summitting Everest is only possible during the transitional period between wet and dry seasons.  This often only lasts a few days to a week or so.  Pretty much the rest of the year the summit is sticking into the jetstream with gale to hurricane force winds.

I know this is generally true and why almost everyone climbs in May (and occasionally in the Fall), but I was curious how many exceptions there were. People are also generally aware that there has been a winter ascent of Everest (as opposed to K2).

In 1985 and 1986, Spanish(+Sherpa) and Swiss parties reached the summit in August, which seem to be the only July or August ascents.

The latest ever summit in the Spring season was on June 14th, 2007, by a UK party + Sherpa. Earliest was April 13, 1993 by a lone Sherpa.

Summits by month:
Code:

2     2
4     21
5     4484
6     81
8     7
9     37
10    192
12    9

https://tiledevil.co.uk/blogs/mount-everest-climbers/list-of-mount-everest-climbers-1953-2000


Feel free to avoid the crowds by climbing during the monsoon.   

October has 4% of summits -- which is also a transition period.  April has 0.4% of successful summits.  June 1.2% 

Sure it's possible, but it requires very unusual conditions and climbers willing and able to endure even more horrific conditions.  :/
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PostFri May 24, 2019 10:12 am 
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That October window, while it does come with winds/precip/ambient temps in the same ballpark as May, also has less sunlight and comes just after snow/avalanche season up high, which I suspect leaves things less stable.
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PostFri May 24, 2019 12:05 pm 
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RandyHiker wrote:
Feel free to avoid the crowds by climbing during the monsoon. 

SeanSullivan86 wrote:
Summits by month:
Code:

2    2
4    21
5    4484
6    81
8    7 <-- I think Reinhold Messner is one of these seven climbers to summit during monsoon season. Additionally he did it solo, but I am not certain whether this was one of his attempts without oxygen
9    37
10    192
12    9

No ascents in January, March, July or November huh - surprised there are no vultures waiting and watching for a fluke window so they can get into the history books, not many firsts left on Everest.
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PostFri May 24, 2019 12:26 pm 
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My god, that photo is a nightmare come true. 
My entire life is a continuous process of watching the world get worser and worser.  Soon, they will be up there with leaf blowers.

Lucky for me, I can still find solitude.  I simply yodel and sing.  Keeps away the bears.   And the people.
Be nice to me, or else....
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wolffie wrote:
Lucky for me, I can still find solitude.  I simply yodel and sing.  Keeps away the bears.  And the people.
Be nice to me, or else....


I thought it was your killer attack corgi that kept people away.
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PostFri May 24, 2019 3:33 pm 
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Wow, I still can't believe that picture isn't photoshopped.

Exactly my first reaction to the photo!  There are hundreds of mountains still on my wishlist, most of these I will never touch.  frown.gif  Everest was never on my list, for other reasons and this just adds another.  Ugh.
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PostFri May 24, 2019 3:35 pm 
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Downhill wrote:
Doppelganger wrote:
Wow, I still can't believe that picture isn't photoshopped.

Exactly my first reaction to the photo!  There are hundreds of mountains still on my wishlist, most of these I will never touch.  frown.gif  Everest was never on my list, for other reasons and this just adds another.  Ugh.

I dont believe that picture is real for a minute.

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