[BigBrunyon]

[Merlin]

Heyo team. Local FS employee - the main and underlying motives for the restrictions are health and safety - EMS vehicles cannot respond efficiently or at all in some cases and the toilets are unsanitary within hours of being cleaned. Impacts to wildlife and plants are secondary to these issues. That's all I got - just a Tech, happy hiking.

[gb]

This should cure a few folks: https://www.wrh.noaa.gov/forecast/wxtables/index.php?lat=47.502358951968596&lon=-120.77545166015626&table=custom&duration=7&interval=6

[Cyclopath]

[Kim Brown]

[joker]

[rant] I kinda get that some people have no clue (or perhaps conscience) about how they handle their feces in spots like the sides of roads and trails and campsites and also that pit toilets have a practical limit to rate of use. But I've been a bit bowled over by the degree of cluelessness or thoughtlessness or both in parking when the truly OK spaces fill up - that people will park in ways that prevent, for instance, any vehicle larger than a SmartCar getting through, even though there are hundreds of cars parked upstream of them. I barely got my Jetta out from one hike a few years ago after some swift individual did a creative parking job after us, and I've seen more than once where full size pickups or vans couldn't get through (and those EMS/ambulance vehicles they bring to SAR staging areas are a lot wider than full size pickups and vans!). Maybe it's a sign of my age and I'm just getting crabby, and I'm not aiming this at any particular generation with the age comment btw, but it sure seems that common sense and contextual awareness are on the decline on average. [/rant] OK, with that out of my system (at least partially ;-) ), from some of the comments about the spillover onto the Icicle road etc. it really does start to sound like something akin to the Zion/Grand Canyon mandatory shuttle regimes may start to make sense up along at least 8 mile road, perhaps save for letting people with a permit get their crew through (just as in Zion you can drive past the closure with a reservation at the lodge). Which of course would require more $ and thus new fees for dayhikers there and higher fees for overnighters. And a huge set of lots somewhere on the edge of Fakegermantown.

[Brushwork]

Along with others, Thank you Merlin for posting. It’s good to hear something about the actual process.

[thunderhead]

Why not charge more for passes? That would rapidly cut down on crowd size, while also getting the FS more money.

[Kim Brown]

That would go over like a lead balloon (hey, someone should name a band). But actually a lead balloon would have a better chance. What would be easiest is if everyone would just drop dead en masse. But that’s probably not going to happen so the quickest solution is to enforce parking (laws? Regulations?).

[Downhill]

[slabbyd]

ENP - Enchantments National Park Don’t even have to construct the tourist trap town at the entrance, it’s already there. Entrance booth just off HWY 2, big visitors center and parking lot at the former Sleeping Lady. Shuttles all day along the Icicle. 5 mile back ups at the entrance. Problems solved.

[Slugman]

Wait, there were practical and commen sense reasons for the parking restriction? But I read here that it was elitist ladder pulling and gatekeeping by evil government minions acting on behalf of super hikers, or something like that. You mean that was all paranoid nonsense posted by haters? Go figure.

[Gwen]

[Gwen]

[Kim Brown]