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MtnGoat
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| neek wrote: | | Sure ya can, ever hear of advertising? Unlike robots, humans are easy to program. But yes, in this case Everest sells itself.
At least they're doing something. People will continue dying on Everest. What they should really do is make the tourists pack out canisters, poop, bodies, etc.
Greed, guilt, shame, jealousy... all fascinating emotions, not just vestiges of pre-agricultural human societies, but still with some practical value. |
Advertising is intended to get you to want to buy...fufilling the condition I noted.
One starts from basic axioms, and works upwards in complexity.
I can understand packing out your own, uh, stuff...but the bodies, no. They're dying because it is so difficult up there in the first place, risking life to return a corpse is not a wise value decision to impose, IMO.
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As Nepal's economy, and that of the Sherpa, are almost entirely dependent upon tourism, it seems that they've taken a step in the right direction by requiring that the permit applicants have previously climbed other peaks in Nepal.
What puzzles me is that it doesn't sound like they upped the ante on the permit fee. Considering the total cost of climbing Everest, $11K seems a bit low. A significant increase in fees might pose obstacles to some, but considering that wealthy people seem more than willing to buy their way up the mountain, why not?
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MtnGoat
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| RandyHiker wrote: | | The requirement to have climbed a 6500 meter Nepalese peak seems like a move to increase guiding business. Seems ascending K2 , Broad Peak, Nanga Parbat and Cho Oyo wouldn't qualify as they aren't in Nepal.
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Good catch, Randy! I hadn't noticed that
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Thu Aug 15, 2019 11:43 am |
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| Randy wrote: | | The requirement to have climbed a 6500 meter Nepalese peak seems like a move to increase guiding business. |
Of course it is.
It will not only increase guiding business, but it will provide more work opportunities for more of the Sherpa with a lower risk factor.
Seems like a win-win for them.
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Sallie4jo
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Seems long overdue in my opinion....people..i don't get them...i think the crows think we r way off the mark.
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Thu Aug 15, 2019 1:28 pm |
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| RandyHiker wrote: | | The requirement to have climbed a 6500 meter Nepalese peak seems like a move to increase guiding business. Seems ascending K2 , Broad Peak, Nanga Parbat and Cho Oyo wouldn't qualify as they aren't in Nepal. |
Clearly.
All countries try to use policy to improve their economic prospects, why should Nepal be any different?
It's not like they're selling water in the desert, nobody needs to climb Everest. Even putting aside that this is a hobby (nobody needs to climb), there are so many other great mountains all over the world. Nobody on nwhikers was going to ever climb Everest before this rule change, it's a luxury peak.
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Seems that things really began to go off the rails when skilled climbers decided that going on their own treks wasn't enough, so they started guiding companies and then continuously lowered their standards to drag up anyone able to pay. The disastrous 1996 Everest season should have caused a re-assessment and change, but things have only gotten worse now that some local guides have stopped being middlemen and are doing their own thing. Knowing what a circus the place has become, you'd think people wouldn't even want to go there.
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| Cyclopath wrote: | | Why is everyone saying greed? Are we entitled to go to their country and get things at a price we want? |
Maybe "Greed" is not the proper term...they "Need" the funds that climbers pay so badly that human lives will be lost because of it, IE] Route bottlenecks and subsequent deaths due to over-crowding. Less permits=less deaths due to bottlenecks.
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| Anne Elk wrote: | | Knowing what a circus the place has become, you'd think people wouldn't even want to go there. |
To quote I believe Yogi Berra, "nobody goes there anymore, it's too crowded." 
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| RandyHiker wrote: | | The requirement to have climbed a 6500 meter Nepalese peak seems like a move to increase guiding business. Seems ascending K2 , Broad Peak, Nanga Parbat and Cho Oyo wouldn't qualify as they aren't in Nepal. |
Agreed. Totally silly of course. A newbie guided up a 6500m "little" peak is qualified but a K2 veteran isnt?
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Nepal cant be too restrictive or the climbers will head over to the Chinese side.
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Thu Aug 15, 2019 3:14 pm |
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... and what makes you think the Chinese won't see this as an opportunity and a reason to up the ante monetarily on their side of the border? 
"I shall wear white flannel trousers, and walk upon the beach.
I have heard the mermaids singing, each to each."
"I shall wear white flannel trousers, and walk upon the beach.
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You could see in the pics posted this year several rubes with their crampons on backwards!! Right there in the front of the pic! First guys in front of the camera! Its a rubeshow up in those vicinitites these days!
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| olderthanIusedtobe wrote: | | Anne Elk wrote: | | Knowing what a circus the place has become, you'd think people wouldn't even want to go there. |
To quote I believe Yogi Berra, "nobody goes there anymore, it's too crowded." |
Yogi berra was the real deal
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Thu Aug 15, 2019 9:45 pm |
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I think the 6.5k meter prerequisite is a pretty good idea. It should reduce numbers on the mountain in the short term, and perhaps help to dial back the number of deaths and casualties.
Don't we sort of need something like that here? If I were Trail Commissioner I'd declare a Department of Leave No Trace, which would regulate, test and grant licenses and permits to hikers, backpackers, climbers, mountain bikers and other back country users. I'm not sure if that's fascism or socialism or gay space communism but I think we need it.
I know it's not going to happen here anytime soon. We don't do regulations because freedom. We don't do services or maintenance because the poors would just grab it all up and have it all for their own selves without paying as much as we did.
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