[Brucester]

It was a matter of time.....

City tags like endless corporate logos... Most tags I've encountered on trails I've scratched off with my fingernail or a rock. But I have found some paint on concrete and rock that I need something tougher.

[Anne Elk]

I was looking thru some old posts not long ago re problems with trail graffiti and found Wolffie's great recommendation of a product called Elephant Snot. I haven't bought any yet but plan to, and have small quantities along on hikes.

[Canyon1]

I go after picking up the micro trash. I am glad to say I am not seeing much of it on heavy use trail systems. For example like Spider Meadows/Phelps Creek TH. Yahoo! Not to long ago I read a post were someone posted a dog memorial on federal land which is considered resource damage by the FS. I can see it now the public sees this as a green light and now pet cemeteries start popping up everywhere in the forests and wilderness.

[kbatku]

The whole fad of leaving painted rocks behind frosts my shorts

[Ski]

[kbatku]

I found a BIRDHOUSE between White and Chinook, screwed to a tree right beside the trail. Had to come back later with a square head screwdriver to take it down - wtf is wrong with people??

[treeswarper]

[Ski]

eh.... it was probably somebody from Canada wanting to drive you crazy with Robertson screws. it's a conspiracy, I'm tellin' ya!

[Brucester]

Granite Lakes trail after Revolution climb, at cut-off to concrete bridge, I looked at a trail sign and was curious about this trail sign. Looked behind it, yup as I suspected, a sticker or a tag on the back side.... Some remove flagging tape. I used to think that was excessive. Nature is art in it's truest form. Do we have to ruin every single thing on this planet?

[wolffie]

In my city dogwalking fannypack: razor blade holder and steel wool for the stickers In the grafitti backpack: Motzenbocker's Lift-Off #3(markers) and #4(for paint) sometimes lacquer thinner (the new kind without toluene, doesn't work as well but toluene is neurotoxic) heavy wire brush green kitchen scrubber steel wool heavy nitrile gloves paper towels and rags plastic and metal putty knives my trusty Eternal Celibacy voodoo curse kit Swiss Army knife with virtual 30mm Vulcan cannon attachment ---------------------- editorial comment: I was once removing a tag in my neighborhood when I realized it was on the pedestal of a giant billboard. Who are the real graffiti vandals in our society? As usual, the scandal is not the illegal behavior. The pimply-faced little BLEEPheads can almost be forgiven for simply emulating the ethics of their society. Are we showing any more respect for our world than they are (I noticed that the bare glacier bed and glacial lake are all shown as solid glacier ice on my 1969 Green Trails map)? If you really want to leave a scar that will persist for 100 years, camp in a pristine spot, move some rocks to anchor your tent, build a windscreen and some rock or wood camp furniture, make a fire ring, leave some firewood stacked beside it. All of these will stand out like a sore thumb to the observant eye for decades. I had the satisfaction of obliterating some of these vandalisms on the otherwise pristine aeolian-sculpted landscape of a 7000' summit last week, including a recent-looking fire ring (at 7000'?). The rocks moved by humans are obvious.

[Anne Elk]

Wolffie, how can Al get any decent exercise in the city if you go out with your kits in town? The city is just too full of it. In re billboards - the ones that really frost me are the highway ones (and they're usually on I-5 or Aurora) that are like LED quasi-videos. Gack.

[wolffie]

[Anne Elk]

[wolffie]

[Anne Elk]

I could get on board with satellites as a cheaper (?) way to bring phone and internet service into rural areas, but is it just a form of "new" colonialism? The internet showcases the worst as well as best of western culture; not to mention enticing people to buy a lot of junk they don't need. The numbers involved seem like overkill. Talk about planetary domination. This is a long way from graffiti talk. Maybe someone will start another thread someday of graffiti-busting pics. Hope you & Al have a pleasant holiday.