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PostFri Aug 30, 2019 12:50 pm 
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Count me as another person that has had giardia ( probably from volunteering at the animal shelter, not drinking mountain water), and it's not THAT bad. It's way better than dying from dehydration. My last visit to Canyonlands I was told of a man who was found after being lost; he ended up dying after rescue because he had been too afraid to drink the murky puddles he saw. This was part of a ranger talk where they were trying to emphasize, just drink the water if you have to.
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PostFri Aug 30, 2019 12:53 pm 
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Seems like SAR and the media don't want to harsh on lost hikers even after they are found, and I get that, but I would love to see something--maybe a blog by a SAR person? That talks to the found hikers and puts together a "lessons learned" article.

Check out the FB page for Snohomish County Search and Rescue, they published a post this spring/summer with general advice for newbs.  Not that a 60 year old from Darrington is going to pay it much heed.   smile.gif

Brie Loewen published a couple of books on her experiences in Seattle Mountain Rescue:  A Life in Mountain Rescue

Thanks, I'll look for that post. I've read Brie's books and found them interesting/depressing. (The Mennonites on the Muir Snowfield!!).

What would be really nice is if it could be incorporated into the news articles that have people's attention.
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PostFri Aug 30, 2019 12:54 pm 
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Bedivere wrote:
Where are you guys getting these quotes from?  I don't see any links to any articles about this, other than the blurb in the Times and from the Sheriff's dept. on Facebook that just says they were found.

Lost a boot and his sleeping bag in a campfire accident?  That sounds like Whisky fueled shenanigans to me.

in addition to the KIRO article there was also one on KOMO.
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PostFri Aug 30, 2019 1:09 pm 
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my experience was pretty horrific, but it still beats being dead

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PostFri Aug 30, 2019 7:59 pm 
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From the article: Cabe said James lost a boot and his entire sleeping bag in a campfire accident, and then lost his knee brace.

Look Im glad these guys are ok, but I really don't want to see them out in the mountains again!

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PostFri Aug 30, 2019 9:12 pm 
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Thank you Doppelgšnger for the history/story.   Thatís fun to hear!   

Itís curious why the 2 guys would choose to go down via Sulphur ck...  I think they were pretty lucky to have been found .

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PostFri Aug 30, 2019 10:39 pm 
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Another  up.gif to Doppelganger for the historical stories!

Belvidere wrote:
What were they thinking?  Going down into Sulphur Creek isn't a shortcut, especially since there's no maintained trail there.

It also wasn't on the route plan they left with the family.  Going off your itinerary under normal conditions is one thing, but doing it when you're already in trouble seems completely insane; further muddling the chance of being found.  It's a wonder SAR found them as quickly as they did.  One gets the impression that the last time "Buster" was on a multi-day backpack in the wilderness was his last trip to Cub Lake in the 60's. 

In re Kiliki's comment about giardia being "not that bad" - are there "degrees" of giardia infection ?  I had it twice; once when it got into the municipal water supply of Banff and half the town got infected.  Both times I was horribly ill - started with fever and chills, so you think at first that you have a very bad case of the flu.  Fortunately my first infection was in a mt town where the MDs knew right away what was up.  Some hikers get infected after they've returned home and the docs have no idea.  I understand that if untreated, you can "recover" but it only means the parasite's gone dormant for a time and you will get recurring attacks later.

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PostFri Aug 30, 2019 11:07 pm 
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Anne Elk wrote:
Belvidere wrote:
What were they thinking?  Going down into Sulphur Creek isn't a shortcut, especially since there's no maintained trail there.

It also wasn't on the route plan they left with the family.  Going off your itinerary under normal conditions is one thing, but doing it when you're already in trouble seems completely insane;


It seemed to me that they weren't in trouble *until* they got down into Sulphur Creek and the terrain got too rough.  That's just my interpretation, but it seems reasonable.  They were probably fine up until they decided to go home via the "shortcut."

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From the article: Cabe said James lost a boot and his entire sleeping bag in a campfire accident, and then lost his knee brace.

Look Im glad these guys are ok, but I really don't want to see them out in the mountains again!

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I'm with you.  I mean, seriously, how do you lose a boot in a campfire accident?  I can kind of almost understand the sleeping bag, given an experience we had once - A gust of wind blew a sleeping pad into the fire and it went up like a gasoline soaked bale of hay.   We were all pretty shocked at how flammable a foam sleeping pad was and the owner had to sleep on the ground (his bag was fine, only his pad burned) for the rest of the trip.  Maybe some sleeping bags are equally flammable?

But a boot is a different thing.  You'd have to toss your boot into the fire and let it sit there awhile before it became completely unusable...?

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I used to know a David James, lived up at Smokey Point...if it's the same one then I understand, lol.

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PostSat Aug 31, 2019 6:58 am 
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Bedivere wrote:
I mean, seriously, how do you lose a boot in a campfire accident?

Seems understanderable to me,  wet boots set next to a campfire to dry them out can easily be destroyed, particularly if someone falls asleep/passes out.
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PostSat Aug 31, 2019 8:23 am 
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It's been interesting to read this thread to say the least. I was familiar with Cub Lake via Bachelor - back in 1972 that was a hike in 101 Hikes and we did it that year as a day trip. Since, I've been back three times. I also hiked the Sulphur Mountain trail one time and so I had assumed (before viewing a map) that Sulphur Creek was just a small stream coming somewhere down the flanks of Sulphur Mountain (which is quite steep). But no, I just reviewed a map out of curiosity and Sulphur Creek is a large tributary stream of the Suiattle that comes down a deep valley similar to Downey Creek. A quick map look makes this Sulphur Creek route look rather ridiculous. Miles of marshy alder and filled with avalanche paths from either side doubtless along the creek. I wonder if they even really looked at a map before coming up with this exit plan.
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PostSat Aug 31, 2019 9:25 am 
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kiliki wrote:
Count me as another person that has had giardia ( probably from volunteering at the animal shelter, not drinking mountain water), and it's not THAT bad.

The effects are reputed to vary widely from person to person. In fact, as the CDC notes, in some cases, some people with giardia experience no symptoms (and thus may, for instance, have no problem despite drinking from every water source in the  state etc etc). I've known a few people who would NOT say "it's not that bad..." about the experience. Some cases are pretty debilitating. That said, yeah sure, still better than going down from dehydration. I'll certainly prioritize avoiding bad dehydration should I ever find myself lost for days w/o water treatment capability.
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PostSat Aug 31, 2019 9:26 am 
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RandyHiker wrote:
Seems understanderable to me,  wet boots set next to a campfire to dry them out can easily be destroyed, particularly if someone falls asleep/passes out.


Yeah, Bevidere - you must not have ever been in a Boy Scout troop that often camped in the rain... I witnessed more than  one pair of boots become useless, despite warnings  from older kids who had seen it before.
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PostSat Aug 31, 2019 10:04 am 
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I found a pair of burned boots by a campfire ring on the PCT between Stevens Pass and the White River back in 77 - I've often wondered what became of their owner
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PostSat Aug 31, 2019 10:29 am 
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I'm starting to see how Burnt Boot Peak must have gotten its name!
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